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Post by dleslie »

christiansakai wrote: post #228
saas_sam wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those of us who grew up around guns, your abject horror at an object is as puzzling as someone being terrified of knives or slingshots. Would be nice if cops were all good and could teleport to your location in time of need. Drive an hour outside your city of choice and that ain't gonna happen. Just sharing my own experience, cheers.

Why do most developed nations don't let citizens own guns then?

Most allow private ownership, though many with final say by some registering authority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation

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Post by HelloNurse »

tharne wrote: post #147
badrequest wrote: post #140

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Yeah, I can't possibly think of a single method of dealing with coyotes that isn't an AR-15. Until that specific model of firearm was invented, people just sort of let coyotes eat their chickens, as there was nothing they could possibly do. They couldn't use humbler firearms with less capacity for committing mass shootings, they just let their chickens die.

You don't know much about firearms based on your response. An AR-15 is a high-powered rifle that has a lot of stopping power even at long range and is very accurate - that's why my buddy had one. It also doesn't have the spread of a shotgun, which is important if you need to shoot a coyote that's too close to your chickens -- you don't want to fire a round of buckshot and take out a bunch of your chickens in the proc…

Having neither coyote nor rifles where I live, I'm curious: what is the practical range for shooting a coyote approaching a farm? If accuracy and stopping power "at long range" make a difference, wouldn't a larger caliber hunting rifle be equally suitable?

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

stevehawk wrote: post #209
akiselev wrote: post #152

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I live in Los Angeles and I used to feel that way until this pandemic hit - I'm not saying you'll change your mind living in NYC, just sharing my change in perspective. I bugged out mid-March to a family farm to wait out the pandemic and since then its been a nonstop string of events reinforcing why - at least outside of cities - guns are absolutely necessary. Now, mind you, one member of the household works at a res…

> Some of them have really warped views of human civilization that led them to live further out (rapists and murderers around every corner) and seem to relish the idea of "defending themselves" with a gun It's unfortunate how true that statement is. Every time I've attended a class for a concealed carry permit it seems to be filled with wanna-be vigilantes. Which is ironic because almost every CCP class is a gun advo…

Right, and really here's how you have to think of it: If you are in a situation where you are concerned with being sued into bankruptcy, or going to prison, then you're not in enough fear of your life to justify shooting someone in the first place.

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Post by korethr »

HelloNurse wrote: post #262
tharne wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't know much about firearms based on your response. An AR-15 is a high-powered rifle that has a lot of stopping power even at long range and is very accurate - that's why my buddy had one. It also doesn't have the spread of a shotgun, which is important if you need to shoot a coyote that's too close to your chickens -- you don't want to fire a round of buckshot and take out a bunch of your chickens in the proc…

Having neither coyote nor rifles where I live, I'm curious: what is the practical range for shooting a coyote approaching a farm? If accuracy and stopping power "at long range" make a difference, wouldn't a larger caliber hunting rifle be equally suitable?

The fun of an affected machismo and showing up your friends at the target range notwithstanding, there is such a thing as overkill, and there comes a point where it is economically silly to address varmint problems with higher-power, longer-range cartridges. A cartridge that will humanely drop an elk at 300 meters will, without question, ruin a coyote's day just as thoroughly. But why spend $2-$3 per shot when $0.50-$1 will do just as well?

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Post by rajangdavis »

Koshkin wrote: post #246
snapetom wrote: post #230

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As a very pro-2A gun owner, I'm upvoting you and hope at least people stop downvoting you. Downvoting this comment, which in no way attacks other people or their points of view, goes against the spirit of HN. Save that crap for reddit. Back to your comment, though, I grew up in the San Francisco suburbs. I have pretty much lived in either metropolitan suburbs or urban center of medium sized cities. I never even shot…

Isn't calling a gun "a hunk of metal" the same as, say, calling a book "a stack of paper"? Why would a hunk of metal be such a popular prop in so many movies? Obviously, philosophy of owning and using a gun goes far, far beyond seeing it merely as a piece of metal, and calling it that on purpose , as I am sure you do, is plain disingenuous.

If you look at how hacking is portrayed in various media, there is a massive amount of dramatization compared to the "real" thing; it's the same with guns.

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Post by aaronax »

croutonwagon wrote: post #231
AdrianB1 wrote: post #156

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AR15 is a lighter, lower powered gun than your typical hunting rifle; the energy of a .223 bullet is a lot lower than a .30. The capacity is almost irrelevant, changing multiple mags is no problem for anyone with decent training. I am the kind of guy that loads only 5 rounds in each 10 round mag (sport shooting), so changing mags is as natural as firing the next round. People telling that "high-capacity overpowered m…

In point of fact. typical AR-15 calibers (.223/5.56) are not legal for hunting anything bigger than small game in most areas. You cant hunt deer or bigger with them....because of the lack of power. Its considered inhumane. They are great for varmit/small game (ie: coyote and pigs) though.

.223 is actual legal for hunting deer in most states. Many of the ones where you can't use it simply don't don't allow rifles at all.

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Post by ctdonath »

Shared404 wrote: post #204
ctdonath wrote: post #86

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We jail arsonists for good reason. “Burn the courthouse for change” isn’t centrist, it’s delusional.

It's escalation. Not even unreasonable imho. The protesters were attacked. They did not escalate before this. After being attacked, their options are to continue being attacked with no recourse, or counterattack. I personally have 0 issue with burning the courthouse. As with the previous violent protests, my issue comes with damage to civilian property.

The protestors were not attacked. They have a well established process of “peaceful” used as a shield for provocateurs, as though individuals are not responsible for the whole mob. The peaceful have recourse to identify and expel the violent, but don’t.

I have major issues with burning a courthouse - the nexus of polite functioning society, the recourse of civilian peace. Burn that, and the recourse for civilian property damage is vigilante violence - don’t go there.

What we see is outright insurrection, from mob to mayor, attempting to break our lawful government for an admitted imposition of communism. Don’t go there.

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Post by sjg007 »

volkl48 wrote: post #154
jonahbenton wrote: post #128

Am sure this will be downvoted but just commenting that I find discussion in these threads fascinating, terrifying, fundamentally foreign. Having lived in large cities all my life I cannot conceive of owning a gun, or of other nearby city dwellers owning guns, or even being allowed to in a non law enforcement capacity. There are apartments in NYC with working fireplaces- seems almost equally insane to me, though gun…

For a similarly opposite perspective as someone who's currently in a rural area: I can go out back, set up target(s) and plink away basically anytime I want. Might even do it this evening if the ammo I ordered finally gets delivered today. There's a safe direction to aim in and the distant neighbors don't mind, they do the same! For longer range, there's various outdoor ranges around, both formal and informal (you ma…

Ok but bear spray would work, no?

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Post by Shared404 »

ctdonath wrote: post #267
Shared404 wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's escalation. Not even unreasonable imho. The protesters were attacked. They did not escalate before this. After being attacked, their options are to continue being attacked with no recourse, or counterattack. I personally have 0 issue with burning the courthouse. As with the previous violent protests, my issue comes with damage to civilian property.

The protestors were not attacked. They have a well established process of “peaceful” used as a shield for provocateurs, as though individuals are not responsible for the whole mob. The peaceful have recourse to identify and expel the violent, but don’t. I have major issues with burning a courthouse - the nexus of polite functioning society, the recourse of civilian peace. Burn that, and the recourse for civilian prop…

> The protesters were not attacked.

All of the protests started peacefully, including Portland. It was police violence that escalated things in the beginning. I recognize that they were not attacked _at that site_, but they were definitely attacked.

> They have a well established process of “peaceful” used as a shield for provocateurs

If you are breaking laws you will get hit with the laws. I'm not denying that. No one with their head on straight is calling violent protest peaceful.

In addition, there is evidence for PD's/alt-right inciting violence at protests to discredit them. I don't know if this is happening at Portland however.

> I have major issues with burning a courthouse ... the recourse of civilian peace.

The whole point of the protests is that this recourse has already failed.

> What we see is outright insurrection ... for an admitted imposition of communism.

While individuals may feel that way, I don't and I'm pretty sure most protesters don't. The fact that some of the leaders have talked about socialized health care

A) Doesn't mean that's the point of the protests.

B) Isn't communism.

By this logic, Trumps support of the white power movement [1] displays on the entire Republican party.

[1] https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-tweets-deletes-protest...

Edit: I'm not looking for confrontation here, I'd really like to get a better understanding of the situation. Right now, it really does look to me like the protesters -- not rioters attacking private property -- are in the right.

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Post by manfredo »

rsync wrote: post #120
walrus01 wrote: post #68

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Among people I know who track modern firearm technology I don't know a single person who would even contemplate buying a Remington. They are to modern guns what a Harley Davidson is to a modern motorcycle. People who care about good tech and value are buying things like CZs, aero precision and Anderson AR10/15 lowers and uppers, etc. Even the canik pistol from turkey is remarkably good quality. Savage offers good val…

"Among people I know who track modern firearm technology I don't know a single person who would even contemplate buying a Remington." Anecdotal, but we needed several workhorse .308 rifles and even considering the previous issues with the Rem 700 triggers, etc., I still chose that model. In addition to being a simple mechanism and easy to clean and maintain, it has a very high adoption rate which means parts and chas…

But why pick Remington 700 over one of the countless other Mauser derivatives? Mechanically it's essentially identical to a Savage Axis, which costs half as much. You can get a Ruger Hawkeye or Winchester model 70 for the same price as the Remington, but from a company that isn't having quality issues. Is parts availability really significant?
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