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Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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Post by DoreenMichele »

dependenttypes wrote: post #110
DoreenMichele wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. It depends on the form of birth control. Fallibility varies widely from one form to another. 2. Last I checked, abortions are shockingly hard to come by in many parts of the US. 3. Women can be virtuously celibate and chaste and wind up pregnant due to being forcibly raped. Sexual morality is and always has been a complicated matter. This won't be changing anytime soon.

> 3. Women can be virtuously celibate and chaste and wind up pregnant due to being forcibly raped. Certainly but this is an extreme case that should be handled differently. How much % of the people getting paid a maternity leave do so due to rape?

I have no clue, but it's highly problematic to ask women to publicly disclose that they got knocked up by their rapist. They shouldn't have to tell anyone that if they do not wish to disclose it.

If they keep the child, how they talk to that child about their paternity should be a private matter. It will be difficult no matter what they do.

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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Post by dependenttypes »

i_cannot_hack wrote: post #108
dependenttypes wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If the parents do not have the resources to give the child a stable and healthy upbringing ... they should use birth control or abort. > All of which you will have to pay for later via your taxes This is true only for crime, but it should still be cheaper per person compared to the alternatives. > Not to mention you seem a bit indifferent to the suffering of children I simply do not consider the suffering of childr…

> [School] should be left up to the parents to pay for So you would enjoy living in a society were the children of the poor enter adulthood illiterate and completely uneducated, without the basic life skills necessary in a modern society. I think our worldviews are simply too different for us to come to an understanding here. All I can say is that you present yourself as a very unsympathetic person.

> So you would enjoy living in a society were the children of the poor

If you do not have enough money to pay for your children then you should not have any.

> enter adulthood illiterate

You do not need schools to educate someone (an extremely limited amount of the stuff that I learned came from school, it was certainly not worth what I had to endure there). Nowadays we have the internet, in the past we had libraries, in addition they always had their own families to educate them.

> All I can say is that you present yourself as a very unsympathetic person

I could say the same for you. After all you do not seem to care about the employer that has to pay multiple employees who do not work at all due to maternity leave nor do you care about the taxpayer.

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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Post by dependenttypes »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #111
dependenttypes wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 3. Women can be virtuously celibate and chaste and wind up pregnant due to being forcibly raped. Certainly but this is an extreme case that should be handled differently. How much % of the people getting paid a maternity leave do so due to rape?

I have no clue, but it's highly problematic to ask women to publicly disclose that they got knocked up by their rapist. They shouldn't have to tell anyone that if they do not wish to disclose it. If they keep the child, how they talk to that child about their paternity should be a private matter. It will be difficult no matter what they do.

I would argue that exposing the rapist so that other women do not fall victim to them is desirable but at the same time I would not want to force women to disclose it if they do not wish to.

> They shouldn't have to tell anyone that if they do not wish to disclose it.

As long as they are fine with not getting the maternity leave, sure.

> how they talk to that child about their paternity should be a private matter. It will be difficult no matter what they do.

Certainly, I will not disagree.

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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Post by brennebeck »

dependenttypes wrote: post #98
whotheffknows wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also are you from eastern Europe or something? Denmark, Finland and average paid maternity leave across the EU is higher than the states. Sorry your facts are wrong, but we get it youre a special flower from that one European country who doesn't have paid maternity leave and you're not a boy which somehow means you can't be sexist even though it doesn't.

> Sorry your facts are wrong My facts are right. Most countries do not provide maternity leave to fathers, in fact I am not aware of any that do. > but we get it youre a special flower Have you considered not being an asshole? > which somehow means you can't be sexist even though it doesn't. I never said that.

Here you go: https://shieldgeo.com/maternity-and-paternity-leave-in-germa...

> In addition to maternity leave, there is the option for the mother or father to take extended parental leave for up to a total of 24 months, with a parental allowance of 300 to 1200 Euros (depending on salary), paid by the government for the initial 14 months.

My brother used this for his first child, so I’m quite certain it exists.

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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Post by dependenttypes »

brennebeck wrote: post #114
dependenttypes wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sorry your facts are wrong My facts are right. Most countries do not provide maternity leave to fathers, in fact I am not aware of any that do. > but we get it youre a special flower Have you considered not being an asshole? > which somehow means you can't be sexist even though it doesn't. I never said that.

Here you go: https://shieldgeo.com/maternity-and-paternity-leave-in-germa... > In addition to maternity leave, there is the option for the mother or father to take extended parental leave for up to a total of 24 months, with a parental allowance of 300 to 1200 Euros (depending on salary), paid by the government for the initial 14 months. My brother used this for his first child, so I’m quite certain it exists.

Interesting, thanks.

> depending on salary

I never understood why they make it scale. Apparently Australia has parental leave too but at the minimum wage.

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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Post by GekkePrutser »

ancientworldnow wrote: post #69
GekkePrutser wrote: post #62

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Yeah I was thinking the same.. This is not a low stress time. I've not been so stressed (and depressed) for a long time.

There's lots of evidence from fitness tracker companies that most people (who use fitness trackers at least) are indeed less stressed.

But fitness devices are notoriously bad at tracking stress :) I have stress measurement on both my Galaxy watch active and my phone (S8), and neither reading has any correlation with how stressed I am.

Basically when I've been working out it always thinks I'm stressed because my heartrate is still high, and when I'm all stressed in work it shows the lowest possible :S

I think it's just not possible to measure something as complex as stress using so few metrics. Same with sleep tracking. When I had a sleep study done I was wired up like a borg :D Checked the sleep tracking on my watch later with the graphs I received and it didn't match at all.

They're good at showing raw stats like footsteps, location and heartrate (and tracking them over time for laps/pace etc) but that's about it. But I don't trust their derived measurements at all. If the other trackers work like my watch, they'll think you're super relaxed if you haven't been working out.

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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Post by irjustin »

tomerico wrote: post #33

Let's not ignore the possibility that the reduction in pre-term birth could be due to women receiving less pre-natal screening, leading to conditions that would warrant immediate induction going undetected. In fact, data collected from a hospital in the UK indicates a 4X increase in the incidence of stillbirth. From: https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/934056 edit: Non-paywalled: https://outline.com/MZUPk3 > The inc…

Interesting, is the data there to show COVID infections of stillbirth? Can that account for at least some of them to offset?

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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Post by throw57382 »

tomerico wrote: post #33

Let's not ignore the possibility that the reduction in pre-term birth could be due to women receiving less pre-natal screening, leading to conditions that would warrant immediate induction going undetected. In fact, data collected from a hospital in the UK indicates a 4X increase in the incidence of stillbirth. From: https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/934056 edit: Non-paywalled: https://outline.com/MZUPk3 > The inc…

Take that paper with a grain of salt.

If you look at their stillbirth rate in the whole of 2017 (rather than an arbitrarily short period immediately before covid), you find their stillbirth rate was 4.21 per 1,000.

They went from 4.21 in 2017, to 2.38 in a few months in 2019, then 9.31 in 2020?

The UK hasn't really been improving in stillbirth rates, so it would be very impressive if they'd halved theirs.

Source, the UK's national perinatal death surveillance report (pdf, page 88): https://www.npeu.ox.ac.uk/assets/downloads/mbrrace-uk/report...

Would 4.21 -> 9.32 still have been significant on that small a sample size?

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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Post by cma »

nostromo wrote: post #8

Heart attacks are similarly down 40-60%. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/well/live/coronavirus-doc... And cancer diagnoses are down by half. https://youtu.be/TWF8KLKy-I0 Of course, no, they aren’t down, it’s just that people that absolutely should be going to the hospital aren’t and they’re endangering their lives trying to avoid COVID-19. Could something similar be at play here? I laughed out loud when they sugge…

Suicides were down in Japan due to less stress without the pressures of work. Something like that could also affect heart attack rates, though no idea if it would be significant. Record numbers of people have quit smoking as well, though I don't know if that would affect heart attack risk that fast.

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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Post by OJFord »

uuilly wrote: post #11
nostromo wrote: post #8

Heart attacks are similarly down 40-60%. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/well/live/coronavirus-doc... And cancer diagnoses are down by half. https://youtu.be/TWF8KLKy-I0 Of course, no, they aren’t down, it’s just that people that absolutely should be going to the hospital aren’t and they’re endangering their lives trying to avoid COVID-19. Could something similar be at play here? I laughed out loud when they sugge…

Difference is you can't "hold in" a pre-term birth b/c you're afraid of covid.

But you can 'hold in' cancer?
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