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Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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Post by nashalo_nighly »

ratsoman2 wrote: post #51
Fiveplus wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a baby is such a crucial and important event in any woman's life that a mandated pre-delivery-full-pay leave seems like a viable mandated right I would whole-heartedly support.

As an employer, why would you choose to hire women who you knew you would have to pay a mandated pre-delivery-full-pay leave to as opposed to a man without that risk?

Because ultimately as a company you need workers past the current generation. If women stop making babies due to having to bear a financial and occupational burden, then your company will quickly disappear due to a lack of workers and customers.

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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Post by whotheffknows »

dependenttypes wrote: post #63
motakraxxer wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The plot by patriarchy is not asking women to stop working during the third trimester. The plot is to ignore those needs and punish women who stop working by not paying them maternity leave or holding their pregnancy against them when they come back to the workforce.

> punish women who stop working by not paying them maternity leave How is that a punishment? You are not entitled to money that you did not earn.

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Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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Post by ben_w »

stanfordkid wrote: post #53
motakraxxer wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The plot by patriarchy is not asking women to stop working during the third trimester. The plot is to ignore those needs and punish women who stop working by not paying them maternity leave or holding their pregnancy against them when they come back to the workforce.

I think we need to move past the genderization of capitalism (an abstract force) into "patriarchy" -- Capitalism has no interest in gender, age, or pretty much anything relating to human qualities. The trending force for capitalism is to have humans automated away -- let alone be given free money to have a baby. I actually find the notion of "patriarchy" incredibly sexist -- were not men the canaries in the coalmine…

> I actually find the notion of "patriarchy" incredibly sexist -- were not men the canaries in the coalmine -- the original victims -- for the dehumanization of capitalism?

Given that women didn’t have a vote when the Industrial Age made coal mining into a primary power source, and given that marriage was seen as making the concept of rape logically impossible until 1992 in the UK [0], I disagree.

Separately, I would argue that while capitalism will exploit such prejudices, I don’t think it is the origin of them.

[0] obvious trigger warning applies: http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKHL/1991/12.html

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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Post by lolc »

antepodius wrote: post #59
Fiveplus wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a baby is such a crucial and important event in any woman's life that a mandated pre-delivery-full-pay leave seems like a viable mandated right I would whole-heartedly support.

Would it be illegal for a newly pregnant woman to go and interview for 10 jobs, each of which she then never sets foot in because she immediately goes on pregnancy leave while still being paid for them all? Asking for a friend...

If you work in a place where labour laws allow working 1000 percent, why not?

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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Post by aaron695 »

> By staying home, a pregnant woman may have less stress from commuting and from work

Classically in Psychology the stress of planning a holiday is more than the stress of the death of a loved one.

This might now be considered wrong (?), but you are taught this because stress is not what the average person thinks it is.

That said, shopping and going out is now really stressful, it's an ongoing changing conditions we are not used to, so surely they mean physical stress, but not sure why they did not say that?

Is it because you can't politically say if women rest at home when pregnant it's better for the baby?

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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Post by DoreenMichele »

Another is less air pollution, from fewer cars being on the roads.

"This might actually help because studies in the past showed that air pollution actually increases the risk for preterm birth," Alshaikh said.

One takeaway that doesn't involve arguing about the so-called Patriarchy and what not: Let's just try to lower pollution rates generally. It's good for everyone, including but not limited to pregnant women.

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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Post by dependenttypes »

whotheffknows wrote: post #82
dependenttypes wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> punish women who stop working by not paying them maternity leave How is that a punishment? You are not entitled to money that you did not earn.

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> Men should get paternity leave too

Or neither should.

> In most countries they do

Nope

> but European countries

I am living in one.

> y'all boys

Not a boy

> telling women creating you has no economic value

I did not say that.

> this entitled nonsense

So I am entitled for saying that you are not entitled to money that you did not earn? What?

> while you scoop up those six figure salaries

More like barely 5 figure salaries.

You do not know me, do not act like you do.

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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Post by barbegal »

tomerico wrote: post #33

Let's not ignore the possibility that the reduction in pre-term birth could be due to women receiving less pre-natal screening, leading to conditions that would warrant immediate induction going undetected. In fact, data collected from a hospital in the UK indicates a 4X increase in the incidence of stillbirth. From: https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/934056 edit: Non-paywalled: https://outline.com/MZUPk3 > The inc…

This is the most reasonable explanation I have heard and I'm surprised it was not discussed in https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.03.20121442v... The increase in stillbirths roughly matches the reduction in pre-term births but the proof would be in the reduction in medically induced births during lockdown for which we don't seem to have the data.

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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Post by whotheffknows »

dependenttypes wrote: post #87
whotheffknows wrote: post #82

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> Men should get paternity leave too Or neither should. > In most countries they do Nope > but European countries I am living in one. > y'all boys Not a boy > telling women creating you has no economic value I did not say that. > this entitled nonsense So I am entitled for saying that you are not entitled to money that you did not earn? What? > while you scoop up those six figure salaries More like barely 5 figure sa…

I don't care if you're a boy. Your views are sexist.

If I knew how little you made I wouldn't even considered you a developer who has opinions on this.

You live in Europe. If you don't work in the United States then this conversation isn't for you. However hard you think you have it at the expense of women getting paid while they give birth to humans isn't as hard as you think. That's why Europe pays you under six figures, because higher quality of life.

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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Post by whotheffknows »

edaemon wrote: post #52
tasogare wrote: post #38

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> Late stage pregnancy mothers legitimately need less physical strain and more opportunity to take care of their bodies or the baby comes early. Keeping the same active pace of work for a few weeks in the third trimester can cost years of additional effort and suffering as a premature baby may accrue permanent damage. You are rediscovering why in traditional societies woman stop working when getting pregnant. This is…

Aren't most women's rights advocates asking for more maternity leave, not less?

I think the trick here is alot of people on Hacker News are not women's rights advocates.

Hacker News is notoriously one of the most sexist places on earth.

I'm a female reader, Staff Software Engineer and I've been reading hacker news everyday (literally) since sophomore yr of college in 2010.

This place is sexist af.

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