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An Apple User Tries Ubuntu
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Re: An Apple User Tries Ubuntu
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Forgive me, but spaces doesn't have the nifty cube does it? I think he just likes the 'eye candy' that comes with Compiz (which, btw isn't enabled by default).
Actually, the rotating cube effect started with the OS X fast user switching feature and was "borrowed" by a lot of virtual desktop systems like Compiz or the OS X virtual desktop apps "Desktop Manager" and "Virtue Desktops". Since Apple already uses this visual effect for changing users it is not going to use it for switching desktops and therefore went with a different visual effect -- if you really like the effect…
OSX had 3d rotating cube fast user switching in 2002? Most likely it was "borrowed" for that from someplace else.
Re: An Apple User Tries Ubuntu
#43As a Mac user, this article made me cringe. > And that Safari can’t handle certain Web features, including plenty of videos. That's not really true, unless he's talking about crappy IE-specific sites. Most videos will play with the appropriate codecs installed (Flip4Mac and Perian cover most) > ...and some even still use the command line. (The command line? Oh, geez…) This says much more about your level of experienc…
No, most people only saw the effect first on OSX. http://desk3d.sourceforge.net/ I'm sure it predates that too.
Every so often, I come across some weird "new" effect I swear I saw implemented in Enlightenment, which always seemed to have some cool eye-candy, years ago, but the hardware just wasn't up to it at the time.
Re: An Apple User Tries Ubuntu
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
The stock OS X box comes with enough of the standard command-line toolbox that if you are actually writing a "portable" script you are not going to have a problem running that script on OS X. The biggest differentiator is probably that OS X is a part of the *BSD lineage and so you will need to do more tweaking of a Linux script to get it bsd-ready than you will need to tweak a standard bsd script to move it from Free…
It's been a few versions since I paid close attention, but as I remember OS X ships with only the bare POSIX tools, plus a few extras from the FreeBSD userspace. It lacks stuff like perl, python, curl, wget, ssh (maybe: not sure about that one), tcpdump, etc... That's all stuff the poor user is going to have to figure out how to get. And as mentioned, the existing package systems for OSS software are really primitive…
That is simply not true. Python is in /System/Library/Frameworks for example. OS X doesn't usually bother to imitate SysV, that's all.
Re: An Apple User Tries Ubuntu
#45ubuntu-desktop stays true to its name ... an OS for average users only for desktoping you know a unix OS is broken when you google "how do i compile / patch vim in ubuntu?" or when you can't ssh to ubuntu-desktop machine Ubuntu is an OS designed by committee ... it's secure by being weak The only thing good about ubuntu is its supports for new hardwares; however, quality is questionable.
Well on OS X I googled for "how to rename a file" and "how to copy a file" (OS X file manager doesn't support cut+paste). On the other hand, I just installed vim on Ubuntu the other day with synaptic, no problems whatsoever.
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#46Another Mac user here. I gave Ubuntu a spin the other week, running in Virtualbox on my main machine. I thought it looked slick and was very usable. Then I tried downloading and installing Firefox 3. I grabbed it, unarchived it and then.... then what? Where's the bloody installer.
The point about the package manager aside, if a program comes without an installer, it is not the fault of the operating system, but of the respective software package.
There is software for Ubuntu that comes with an installer (for example Netbeans), so the responses pointing to Synaptic didn't cover all the bases.
Re: An Apple User Tries Ubuntu
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's been a few versions since I paid close attention, but as I remember OS X ships with only the bare POSIX tools, plus a few extras from the FreeBSD userspace. It lacks stuff like perl, python, curl, wget, ssh (maybe: not sure about that one), tcpdump, etc... That's all stuff the poor user is going to have to figure out how to get. And as mentioned, the existing package systems for OSS software are really primitive…
I'm running Leopard right now, and I have python, perl, curl, ssh, and tcpdump. I have no idea why wget is left out of the default install, but I just get it with macports, which is just a download and double click install away. Anyone who would be using these tools wouldn't have any problem setting it up. A few revisions of OS X ago things did seem relatively odd to the average Bash user. The shell was tcsh, and bei…
wget is left out simply for licensing reasons. curl is an MIT license, wget is GPL.
edit: I second guess this now that I think about it. bash is GPL...
Re: An Apple User Tries Ubuntu
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I might quibble with the "Linux's command line offers no benefits" line. It's true that the shell is identical. But OS X, out of the box, is lacking huge chunks of what you expect to find out-of-the-box on a typical Linux distribution. That's a problem for anyone who wants to be able to portable scripts, etc... Add that to the fact that the existing package managers for the command line tools are kinda lacking, and I…
Don't forget the lightweight xubuntu distribution, which uses the xfce window manager. It is nice and fast. It works nicely on older machines with less resources.
I like fluxbuntu better than xubuntu. It's not an official canonical distro, but i have a pretty old pc with only 64 mb of ram and fluxbox runs far better than xfce on it. I think xubuntu is a waste of time anyway, but i can't i8magine using gnome either, im kubuntu till death(mine, or theirs) Viva KDE.
Anyway, a friend of mine can get me a cheap mac(prices are unbearable outside of the us because of shipping and resellers adding up to the price) so I'm going to get pretty close to OS X and i know that its good, but like that guy i might choose to dual boot and have the OS X just there if i need it.
Re: An Apple User Tries Ubuntu
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Forgive me, but spaces doesn't have the nifty cube does it? I think he just likes the 'eye candy' that comes with Compiz (which, btw isn't enabled by default).
Actually, the rotating cube effect started with the OS X fast user switching feature and was "borrowed" by a lot of virtual desktop systems like Compiz or the OS X virtual desktop apps "Desktop Manager" and "Virtue Desktops". Since Apple already uses this visual effect for changing users it is not going to use it for switching desktops and therefore went with a different visual effect -- if you really like the effect…
Like thwarted said, 3D desktop was doing this on Linux back around 2002, before OS X had multiple local users.. You'd zoom out, the cube sat in the middle of the screen, about 75% of your monitor, rotate, then zoom back in. It was a little flickery, but damn cool, and worked on the KDE setup I had at the time.
Re: An Apple User Tries Ubuntu
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Forgive me, but spaces doesn't have the nifty cube does it? I think he just likes the 'eye candy' that comes with Compiz (which, btw isn't enabled by default).
Actually the cube is a usability trap. I had to disable it because it increased my workspace switching time a lot even when I had increased its rotation speed. It looks cool, but gets in the way unfortunately.
Its a trade off: increased spatial awareness versus a few fractions of a second. Compare most office suites, which now smoothly show when new rows or columns are added to a spreadsheet for the same reason - animation shows you what's happening, and where its happening.
It's a lot easier for people to get the concept that they have another desktop around the corner, than that they have another desktop on an abtract flat plane.