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Re: Show HN: Neural text to speech with dozens of celebrity voices

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I've built a lot of celebrity text to speech models and host them online: https://vo.codes It has celebrities like Sir David Attenborough and Arnold Schwarzenegger, a bunch of the presidents, and also some engineers: PG, Sam Altman, Peter Thiel, Mark Zuckerberg I'm not far away from a working "real time" [1] voice conversion (VC) system. This turns a source voice into a target voice. The most difficult part is gettin…

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Re: Show HN: Neural text to speech with dozens of celebrity voices

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That's super cool. I am worried about the potential abuse of this service, are there any existing services that can help to identify audio deep fakes like this one is for making them? Found Resemblyzer: https://github.com/resemble-ai/Resemblyzer

I wonder if at some point we need to create legal requirements that all deepfakes have some kind of human-invisible (or visible?) fingerprint for identification, restriction on frequency range, etc. We have crypto export restrictions, why not put handcuffs on this as well which has the potential for probably larger scale harm?

That will only stop law abiding citizens from committing crime.

Re: Show HN: Neural text to speech with dozens of celebrity voices

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Is this ethical?

I too expected more discussion of this. People play around with these things because they're interesting, then mostly hand wave away concerns about the implications with "well, people will just have to learn to be skeptical of recordings". But what we're really doing is muddying a previously reliable avenue of gaining quality evidence about the world. I expect this opinion is unpopular on HN but I think people shouldn't be developing these things, companies shouldn't be working on them, and they should be banned before they get to the point of causing real harm. I also believe that can be prevented by drying up funding and research, because bad actors have to rely on the body of existing work to make their bad actions practical.

Re: Show HN: Neural text to speech with dozens of celebrity voices

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Hate to be that guy but I can't participate in this discussion due to javascript being required for the landing page. As an outlier not running javascript, I'm reaping what I sow, but it would be nice to me and others in the same boat if projects make their landing page viewable without the need for javascript.

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Re: Show HN: Neural text to speech with dozens of celebrity voices

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That's super cool. I am worried about the potential abuse of this service, are there any existing services that can help to identify audio deep fakes like this one is for making them? Found Resemblyzer: https://github.com/resemble-ai/Resemblyzer

I wonder if at some point we need to create legal requirements that all deepfakes have some kind of human-invisible (or visible?) fingerprint for identification, restriction on frequency range, etc. We have crypto export restrictions, why not put handcuffs on this as well which has the potential for probably larger scale harm?

Actually there might be a precedent with the Carrie Fisher from Star Wars. I believe they did use some form of virtualization after she passed..I don't know what the outcome was legally, but it definitely is in this realm.

Re: Show HN: Neural text to speech with dozens of celebrity voices

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if at some point we need to create legal requirements that all deepfakes have some kind of human-invisible (or visible?) fingerprint for identification, restriction on frequency range, etc. We have crypto export restrictions, why not put handcuffs on this as well which has the potential for probably larger scale harm?

That will only stop law abiding citizens from committing crime.

That’s a big start. If you look at Reddit, you’ll notice all these deepfake porns are using scripts/apps that people have packaged together. Those and any commercial variants can abide by such restrictions which will help document the fakeness once this goes mainstream. Only the super technical would be able to get around it, and if tutorials etc come out then you have legal grounds to go after it to minimize.

Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good. This has potential to literally cause spilled blood, fraud, etc. Better to have it for some than for zero.

Re: Show HN: Neural text to speech with dozens of celebrity voices

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That will only stop law abiding citizens from committing crime.

That’s a big start. If you look at Reddit, you’ll notice all these deepfake porns are using scripts/apps that people have packaged together. Those and any commercial variants can abide by such restrictions which will help document the fakeness once this goes mainstream. Only the super technical would be able to get around it, and if tutorials etc come out then you have legal grounds to go after it to minimize. Don’t…

I don't agree with the solution unless we as a society stop putting trust on any digital media but at that point, this is not necessary. Many governments would love to use this tech so they have incentive to stop others from using it and still let people believe in digital evidence by putting half assed solution like the one you proposed.

The cat is out of the bag. Digital media should not be trusted blindly.

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