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Re: Sailor pictured with laser rifle on board USS Minnesota nuclear sub

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Post by rimjongun »

newacct583 wrote: post #52
refurb wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Used against Portland protestors? From the videos I've seen, it's the "protestors" using them against the police. https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1286914458032332800

That's exactly the point. It's the same thing. But it's a cool weapon gadget presented here, when it's a horrifying atrocity that demands tear gas and brutality when used by the "other side". It's this weaponization of "bothsidesism" that I'm having trouble with. We've got an almost 100% peaceful protest of hippies going on every night for two months, but what posters here want to talk about is the fancy anti-riot ge…

I think to call it almost 100% peaceful is not meeting us in good faith. That’s simply nowhere approaching the truth.

Re: Sailor pictured with laser rifle on board USS Minnesota nuclear sub

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Post by rimjongun »

hajile wrote: post #35
valuearb wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

RTFA: It’s not the same, the Navy laser has a distance control that disables it if it’s close enough to damage someone’s eyesight. It’s only usable at long distances.

Diffusion rates are highly dependent on a lot of environmental factors. I doubt they can predict enough of these with enough reliability to ensure they are not causing damage. Finally, there's zero evidence that laser light sufficient to blind temporarily isn't also sufficient to cause permanent damage.

That’s literally made up. Countless studies are there for the googling.

Re: Sailor pictured with laser rifle on board USS Minnesota nuclear sub

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Post by andrewnicolalde »

sdenton4 wrote: post #50
h2odragon wrote: post #39

Laser pointers for Sphinx scale cats. Very informative article too. The quoted "it won't blind people, really" verbiage smells a lot like bullshit, doesn't it? The bit about "unequivocal, cross-cultural warning" tho, that i buy. A more pointed way of saying "I see you" than launching a flare.

"[...]the service is already fielding a far more powerful, hard-mounted, laser dazzler that will have a much greater range and a better ability to blind more advanced electronic optics. Named ODIN[...]" Let's name our totally-not-intended-to-blind-people weapon after a dude who's missing an eye...

Who says that one isn’t intended to do that?

Re: Sailor pictured with laser rifle on board USS Minnesota nuclear sub

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Post by rimjongun »

hajile wrote: post #36
tantalor wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The dazzler is a non-lethal weapon intended to cause temporary blindness or disorientation and therefore falls outside this protocol." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzler_(weapon)#Legislation

Citation missing. I'll guarantee you there has NEVER been a ruling about this and it's just an assertion added by someone who has a vested interest in the idea.

This type of discourse, completely biased with no good faith, makes me wish I had a downvote. Instead, you get an upvote! #plottwist

Re: Sailor pictured with laser rifle on board USS Minnesota nuclear sub

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Post by barnesto »

polytely wrote: post #68
hylian wrote: post #32

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>It's obviously propaganda but it is very interesting nonetheless. Sorry, how is this video obviously propaganda?

Ok so destin works as a scientist for the us gov. He did a video a while ago where he interviewed a general about the cyber domain of warfare. In this interview they discussed that the interview itself was part of that cyber domain, and the access they provide to destin is a part of the US presence in the cyber domain. [0] The pentagon clearly sees smarter everyday as a channel to spread information to a certain audi…

marketing is not propaganda.

Re: Sailor pictured with laser rifle on board USS Minnesota nuclear sub

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Post by DuskStar »

newacct583 wrote: post #52
refurb wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Used against Portland protestors? From the videos I've seen, it's the "protestors" using them against the police. https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1286914458032332800

That's exactly the point. It's the same thing. But it's a cool weapon gadget presented here, when it's a horrifying atrocity that demands tear gas and brutality when used by the "other side". It's this weaponization of "bothsidesism" that I'm having trouble with. We've got an almost 100% peaceful protest of hippies going on every night for two months, but what posters here want to talk about is the fancy anti-riot ge…

Well, one of the two has safety features installed to make sure that the laser doesn't blind anyone, and the other doesn't.

So yeah, the military version is actually a fair bit safer and less damaging than the would-actually-be-a-war-crime blinding weapons that protestors seem to be using.

Re: Sailor pictured with laser rifle on board USS Minnesota nuclear sub

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Post by pottertheotter »

canada_dry wrote: post #57

I wonder if/when this device will make its way into responding to the recent civil unrest around the US? Especially given that Federal enforcement agents are now being utilized, and likely have access to this equipment.

The YouTube video in the article says there is a law enforcement version approved for use in the US by law enforcement and private security.

Wonder what the long-term adoption and use will be. And if they really cause no damage to the target.

Re: Sailor pictured with laser rifle on board USS Minnesota nuclear sub

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Post by pizza »

godelski wrote: post #67
vaidhy wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Destin, the person behind Smarter Every Day was ex-military and he interviewed his old commanding officer. It was clearly mentioned that the military is doing this to reach out to potential recruits while sharing interesting knowledge. I believe the actual episode is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOTYgcdNrXE

It is important to note that things can be more than one thing at once. The general in the video says that Destin created a weapon (of information), which would be propaganda. But the video is also highly informative and educational. Destin is in it for the education and cool factor. The military is in it for the education, cool factor (potential recruits), and show of power (to potential recruits, civilians, and for…

It's fairly un-nuanced: get special exclusive access to military resources, and call the military resources cool in a way that the military approves of.

That's propaganda. Whether you think that's bad or good or there is nuance is still for each person to decide for themselves but nevertheless that's pretty much textbook propaganda.

Re: Sailor pictured with laser rifle on board USS Minnesota nuclear sub

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Post by newacct583 »

rimjongun wrote: post #71
newacct583 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's exactly the point. It's the same thing. But it's a cool weapon gadget presented here, when it's a horrifying atrocity that demands tear gas and brutality when used by the "other side". It's this weaponization of "bothsidesism" that I'm having trouble with. We've got an almost 100% peaceful protest of hippies going on every night for two months, but what posters here want to talk about is the fancy anti-riot ge…

I think to call it almost 100% peaceful is not meeting us in good faith. That’s simply nowhere approaching the truth.

What's your estimate then? I mean... I'm here in Portland. I can drive right by downtown (drove straight through Ground Zero at main and 3rd just this morning). I see the hippies. I don't see violence. Show me the violence. Tell me why I need to support tear gassing these kids every night for two months.

No one will. But I see people vote up these posts about "yay lasers!" instead. I'm out of patience here. I can see with my own eyes who the bad guys are, so can you, and yet... "look! lasers!"

Re: Sailor pictured with laser rifle on board USS Minnesota nuclear sub

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Post by fode »

Wow, this explains it all! I currently live on the beach in Dakar Sénégal. About 2 weeks ago, I was up late on my balcony and saw these dazzling green lights coming from really far out in the ocean. For one I was wondering what it was, and two, I was surprised that the green lights seemed to be coming from so far out from the ocean, but yet they were lighting up the beach like someone was standing right there with a flash light. And I'm talking super far!

I had a hunch that it might be military related. It was fascinating to see how powerful the green lights were after they bounced off the water and hit the sand.

I'm so glad I caught this article here. I was going nuts for a while there lol

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