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Sledding athletes are taking their lives

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Re: Sledding athletes are taking their lives

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From my naive understanding based on reading the article, I don't see how sledding is any more of a sport than a video game combined with fear tolerence.

You should get out of your parents basement some time. Things that happen in the real world, especially those that involve physical experience and physical risk, are tangibly different than things that happen in video games.

Re: Sledding athletes are taking their lives

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> On Feb. 22, 2013, Morris attached an accelerometer to his helmet, then launched his body down a 1,500-meter track at the sliding center in Whistler, British Columbia, which is considered the fastest track in the world and was a venue for the 2010 Winter Olympics. Bobsleigh has been a feature of the Winter Olympics since 1924 [1]. Yet it might have taken until 2013 for someone to measure its g force on its athletes'…

Except measuring G-forces acting on a helmet doesn't directly relate to the forces acting on the head within it.

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Re: Sledding athletes are taking their lives

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how... how did you come to that conclusion?

Not OP, but I'm guessing that they think athletes just contribute mass.

Which is..."not right" is the absolutely most charitable response to 'thinking' that sad.

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Except measuring G-forces acting on a helmet doesn't directly relate to the forces acting on the head within it.

Why not? To me (a layperson in the physics of helmets and brains), they would seem to be quite directly related, especially when the cause of the gees is not related to an impact.

The helmet is padded.

Your head is in a suspension within the helmet, much like your brain is in a suspension within the skull.

Your skull can accelerate at extremely high G's without harming the brain as long as it stays well within the modulus of the suspension. i.e. not for too long. The helmet adds another suspension on top of this.

Re: Sledding athletes are taking their lives

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> On Feb. 22, 2013, Morris attached an accelerometer to his helmet, then launched his body down a 1,500-meter track at the sliding center in Whistler, British Columbia, which is considered the fastest track in the world and was a venue for the 2010 Winter Olympics. Bobsleigh has been a feature of the Winter Olympics since 1924 [1]. Yet it might have taken until 2013 for someone to measure its g force on its athletes'…

Except measuring G-forces acting on a helmet doesn't directly relate to the forces acting on the head within it.

Are you perhaps confusing impact with g-force? A good analogy would be a fighter pilot or an astronaut. The g-force is felt all over the body irrespective of whether you are wearing a suit or not.

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Why not? To me (a layperson in the physics of helmets and brains), they would seem to be quite directly related, especially when the cause of the gees is not related to an impact.

The helmet is padded. Your head is in a suspension within the helmet, much like your brain is in a suspension within the skull. Your skull can accelerate at extremely high G's without harming the brain as long as it stays well within the modulus of the suspension. i.e. not for too long. The helmet adds another suspension on top of this.

You are confusing the ability to sustain the g-force by the brain with the force experienced. A padding on the helmet helps in event of collision, not the g-force which is due to the acceleration

Re: Sledding athletes are taking their lives

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The helmet is padded. Your head is in a suspension within the helmet, much like your brain is in a suspension within the skull. Your skull can accelerate at extremely high G's without harming the brain as long as it stays well within the modulus of the suspension. i.e. not for too long. The helmet adds another suspension on top of this.

You are confusing the ability to sustain the g-force by the brain with the force experienced. A padding on the helmet helps in event of collision, not the g-force which is due to the acceleration

How is a collision not just another acceleration?

Re: Sledding athletes are taking their lives

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This seems totally unacceptable. We should stop having this sport in the Olympics (implicitly supporting this madness) -- of course athletes are free to do as they chose, but we cannot encourage such pointless self-destruction and misery. An alternative to save the sport is completely redesign it to limit maximum accelerations. Usually injuries follow power laws so I doubt even that much reduction would be necessary…

So funny thing about unacceptable and lateral g-force — this is a big part of why F1 cars aren’t V10 engines anymore. They were getting too fast and the decision was between g-suits and slower cars. FIA chose slower cars (also more fuel efficient, yay).

Now it’s a few years later and cars have again advanced to the point that drivers pull more than 5 lateral G in some corners. It’s kinda bonkers.

I wonder if something like the HANS device could be useful in sledding. Or those neck protectors motocross riders use. Might keep heads from banging around as much.

Re: Sledding athletes are taking their lives

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Except measuring G-forces acting on a helmet doesn't directly relate to the forces acting on the head within it.

Are you perhaps confusing impact with g-force? A good analogy would be a fighter pilot or an astronaut. The g-force is felt all over the body irrespective of whether you are wearing a suit or not.

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