Teaching isn’t about managing behavior • Hacker News Board

Re: Teaching isn’t about managing behavior

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Post by treeman79 » Mon, Jul 27, 2020, 12:51 AM UTC

giantg2 wrote: post #45

treeman79 wrote: post #41

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Wife has been bitten, stabbed, attacked by students many times. Nothing is ever done. Usually a small number of kids that ruin everything for the rest. Many schools are a blame teachers culture. She’s been at this long enough many of the trouble makers have grown and are in jail, missing, or dead. Turns out ignoring bad behavior doesn’t work.

In our state, that can be a felony aggravated assault charge (assuming they meet mens rea and charges are pressed).

2nd graders pretty much have to kill or permanently maim the teacher before something serious happens.

Of course some of these are 3rd time 2nd graders

Re: Teaching isn’t about managing behavior

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Post by burfog » Mon, Jul 27, 2020, 1:27 AM UTC

treeman79 wrote: post #41

burfog wrote: post #38

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Teacher burn-out is mostly ignored because fixing it would require undoing some very deliberate changes, like keeping bad kids in school and even in normal classrooms. We'd have to empower teachers to expel kids who refuse to be students.

Wife has been bitten, stabbed, attacked by students many times. Nothing is ever done. Usually a small number of kids that ruin everything for the rest. Many schools are a blame teachers culture. She’s been at this long enough many of the trouble makers have grown and are in jail, missing, or dead. Turns out ignoring bad behavior doesn’t work.

To be fair, the teachers sort of deserve some blame, in multiple ways.

They somewhat willingly support a union. (they at least voted to unionize) That union, via stealing from the teacher's paychecks and "donating" to politicians, is a corrupt money pipeline from taxpayers to one political party. That party opposes anything that would enable tossing out the bad students or punishing them. The resulting awful work environment is thus, indirectly, supported by the teachers.

There are in fact many poor-quality teachers. Firing them is difficult, again because of the union that they endorse. I'm seeing hypocrisy lately, with union-protected bad teachers protesting against unions protecting bad cops.

The awful work environment discourages people from entering the profession. Because of this, schools have fewer good candidates to hire. There isn't much point firing a bad teacher if a replacement is unlikely to be any better.

Re: Teaching isn’t about managing behavior

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Post by giantg2 » Mon, Jul 27, 2020, 1:32 AM UTC

treeman79 wrote: post #51

giantg2 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In our state, that can be a felony aggravated assault charge (assuming they meet mens rea and charges are pressed).

2nd graders pretty much have to kill or permanently maim the teacher before something serious happens. Of course some of these are 3rd time 2nd graders

Yeah, that's a bit on the young side for mens rea in most states. And even if they meet that the system is hesitant to do anything.

Re: Teaching isn’t about managing behavior

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Post by 082349872349872 » Mon, Jul 27, 2020, 4:57 AM UTC

d0mine wrote: post #49

heimatau wrote: post #36

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This video has edited the children's mouths and the teachers. This is an intentional edit when they speak. It's really trippy to watch. Because it's fairly good in some instances but...also terrifying.

The grandparent comment is trolling. The video is not a documentary (there is an innocent explanation of why the English part is edited) and the comment's text is just political jokes from 80s (I've heard somewhere that CIA takes credit for many jokes of that time).

CIA takes credit for many things. Maybe they stole jokes from State, but I think action movies[1] are more their speed. Consider: if they were any good at jokes, international english would be full of Stierlitz-style jokes.

(I got most of my political jokes from VK. To be fair, most of them, especially the Brezhnev-era, can be used in the current US with only a few name changes.)

[1] Humour usually involves quickly switching between possible interpretations. Action movies tend to be much less ambiguous.