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Cracking down on research fraud

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Re: Cracking down on research fraud

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The root of the problem is that we allow people with high esteemed credentials to run society. They jumped through a hoop. "You got straight As at 14 - 18 years old and got into an ivy league school as a result? Here run this venture fund." "You got a PhD in Economics with a good publication by P-hacking your secret data? Here take a run at the FED with power over the US Economy. Your Phd shows that you are the man f…

Publications really only look impressive to outsiders and gra d students.

Re: Cracking down on research fraud

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Basic set of checks-and-balances: * Preregistration and adoption of open science practices * Public access to research results, methods, and data, with some exceptions (such as PII) * Federally-funded universities can't use NDAs or non-disparage agreements * Federally-funded universities must respond to records requests under terms similar to FOIA (note that FOIA has requestor pay costs) * Federally-funded universiti…

> * Public access to research results, methods, and data, with some exceptions (such as PII)

You mentioned PII, so I'm assuming some familiarity with the health field. I'm curious about your thoughts on the position that one should not be required to immediately publicize their data, because there needs to be an expectation that a researcher can translate the capital (both time and money) they expend to acquire quality data into academic and institutional capital (in the form of research output, i.e. papers). The fear being, there might be insufficient motivation to conduct large data collection-oriented studies due to another researcher beating the data collector to the punch in terms of publishing certain findings.

Re: Cracking down on research fraud

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post #4

Basic set of checks-and-balances: * Preregistration and adoption of open science practices * Public access to research results, methods, and data, with some exceptions (such as PII) * Federally-funded universities can't use NDAs or non-disparage agreements * Federally-funded universities must respond to records requests under terms similar to FOIA (note that FOIA has requestor pay costs) * Federally-funded universiti…

> Federally-funded universities can't use NDAs or non-disparage agreements

Many companies are only willing to enter into research agreements with a lab providing that lab is willing to sign an NDA. This would prevent companies like Google, NVIDIA, Apple, and Facebook from working with research labs. This is especially short-sighted since a student who is working at a federally funded university will have to publish their work.

> Federally-funded universities must respond to records requests under terms similar to FOIA (note that FOIA has requestor pay costs)

This is already true. I have known many faculty whose emails were FOIA-able and as a result, they preferred in-person communication for sensitive topics.

Re: Cracking down on research fraud

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for pointing out the problem with credentials. Name a better indicator then for being competent.

Industry kinda already has. Products launched. Teams managed. A candidate's publication record is a conversation starter during interviews, but I feel like years of experience at a company working on launching a successful project is a much more valuable currency.

For getting a job, maybe…industry isn't everything.

Re: Cracking down on research fraud

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The root of the problem is that we allow people with high esteemed credentials to run society. They jumped through a hoop. "You got straight As at 14 - 18 years old and got into an ivy league school as a result? Here run this venture fund." "You got a PhD in Economics with a good publication by P-hacking your secret data? Here take a run at the FED with power over the US Economy. Your Phd shows that you are the man f…

Thanks for pointing out the problem with credentials. Name a better indicator then for being competent.

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Re: Cracking down on research fraud

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The root of the problem is that we allow people with high esteemed credentials to run society. They jumped through a hoop. "You got straight As at 14 - 18 years old and got into an ivy league school as a result? Here run this venture fund." "You got a PhD in Economics with a good publication by P-hacking your secret data? Here take a run at the FED with power over the US Economy. Your Phd shows that you are the man f…

Thanks for pointing out the problem with credentials. Name a better indicator then for being competent.

Allow me to offer some qualities other than competency that are necessary for responsible research.

1. Purpose. what is it that drives one?

2. Integrity. when does one compromise it?

3. Awareness. is one able to disengage when one's ego (fueled by credentials) is activated.

Re: Cracking down on research fraud

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The root of the problem is that we allow people with high esteemed credentials to run society. They jumped through a hoop. "You got straight As at 14 - 18 years old and got into an ivy league school as a result? Here run this venture fund." "You got a PhD in Economics with a good publication by P-hacking your secret data? Here take a run at the FED with power over the US Economy. Your Phd shows that you are the man f…

And the cherry-on-top: Once you are part of a research unit at big corporation, your annual bonus depends on your number of publications. Or why the pursuit of incremental but well marketed results never ends. Or why papers with 6+ authors among which only 1-2 substantially contributed is the new normal.

Re: Cracking down on research fraud

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post #11

The root of the problem is that we allow people with high esteemed credentials to run society. They jumped through a hoop. "You got straight As at 14 - 18 years old and got into an ivy league school as a result? Here run this venture fund." "You got a PhD in Economics with a good publication by P-hacking your secret data? Here take a run at the FED with power over the US Economy. Your Phd shows that you are the man f…

Publications really only look impressive to outsiders and gra d students.

Surely you mean the number of publications, or some other superficial metric (e.g. being the third "supervising" author on a paper with a dozen authors).

If I read a paper and have a great appreciation for the ideas, and have a sense that an author contributed significantly to the aspects I appreciate (either from explicit descriptions of the authors' contributions in the publication, or by speaking to them), why would that not be impressive to me?

Re: Cracking down on research fraud

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A friend of mine was doing a chemistry phd when he discovered his supervisor was falsifying data. If he had blown the whistle it would have ended his career, but if he had played along his dissertation would have been based on false data. Both options were bad so he just quit.

https://www.statnews.com/2016/11/25/postdocs-grad-students-f...

Re: Cracking down on research fraud

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A friend of mine was doing a chemistry phd when he discovered his supervisor was falsifying data. If he had blown the whistle it would have ended his career, but if he had played along his dissertation would have been based on false data. Both options were bad so he just quit. https://www.statnews.com/2016/11/25/postdocs-grad-students-f...

That's some guts to do the right thing. Respect.
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