Reminds me of Apple and Amazon.
These gatekeepers flexing should be a huge red flag, akin to the BP oil spill in the tech world.
This might be the last straw for me to delete my Facebook. I would be a bad capitalist if I didn't.
Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth
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“Protected Speech” means that the government can’t censor it, not private corporations.
In 2020, Facebook, Google, Twitter, and Cloudflare are bigger gatekeepers of free speech than any government.
Please stop this.
It cheapens speech and denigrates those ACTUALLY living without freedoms.
Facebook, Google, Twitter, or any other online service for that matter controlling what is and is not said on their platform is not "gatekeeping" anything.
Posting something on Facebook is not now, has never been, and will never be "free speech".
No matter how much you want it to be.
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#124Interesting place, never heard of it before. > Dreamwidth Studios is an Open Source social networking, content management, and personal publishing platform. Our mission in life is to make it easy for you to share the things you make, and easy to find the people who are making the things you want to enjoy. > We have all the features you've come to love in social networking sites, including privacy and security feature…
"Interesting place, never heard of it before ..."
The only reason I have ever heard of dreamwidth is because Matthew Garrett (mjg59) has his excellent blog there:
... otherwise I don't think I ever see that domain anywhere ...
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This might come off as a little rude, but it's sincere advice from someone who used to work in anti-spam (not at Facebook): I had a quick look through Dreamwidth's "latest" page ( https://www.dreamwidth.org/latest ) earlier today, and a major portion of the posts on there were blatant spam for things like credit card scams, "Work from home and make $1000/day!", and so on. You seem to be hosting a lot of spam, and tho…
Controlling spam used to be about stopping unwanted messages sent to users . Now it has morphed into this idea that every site has the responsibility of content-policing their own users, lest what they publish be used to facilitate spam. Your advice may be pragmatic, but it shows how far we've slid down the slippery slope.
> Now it has morphed into this idea that every site has the responsibility of content-policing their own users, lest what they publish be linked from spam.
Not sure what you mean here. The problem Deimorz was bringing up wasn't just about users writing something, and spammers linking to it. It was that this site was being used to host the spam payloads. By spammers, not by actual users.
And this is how a lot of the early spam fighting worked: by finding hosts that allowed sending spam and publishing their IPs on blocklists. All mail traffic from those IPs, even if legit, would then be rejected by a large proportion of mail servers that subscribed to these blocklists.
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#126Hi all! Co-owner of Dreamwidth here. Pretty cool to see my project hit the front page of HN, but definitely a bit of a /shrug moment on the subject itself. "Facebook gonna Facebook" I think is approximately how we feel about this. I know here on HN we're used to hearing stories about scrappy startups trying to carve a piece of the pie big enough to exit on, but that is pretty much the exact opposite of what Dreamwidt…
Want to personally thank you as a user of DW for a few years that migrated over from tumblr after the NSFW ban - I can't thank you and the team enough for what y'all provide. It's a haven and a remnant of the "old web" that is honestly the one thing aside from my personal webring-esque site that I can /trust/ not to change with trends (whether it be payment trends or idiotic aesthetic changes that end up making more of a mess than not). Having a place for fandom analysis and journal posts and just to exist with some level of privacy is a rare treasure. Glad to see your thoughts on this FB ban.
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#127Interesting place, never heard of it before. > Dreamwidth Studios is an Open Source social networking, content management, and personal publishing platform. Our mission in life is to make it easy for you to share the things you make, and easy to find the people who are making the things you want to enjoy. > We have all the features you've come to love in social networking sites, including privacy and security feature…
"Interesting place, never heard of it before ..." The only reason I have ever heard of dreamwidth is because Matthew Garrett (mjg59) has his excellent blog there: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/ ... otherwise I don't think I ever see that domain anywhere ...
Same here. I never checked and just assumed that dreamwidth is Matthew Garrett's private domain.
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It seems likely that what's happening here is some combination of: 1) Spammers using one domain and multiple sub-domains 2) A poorly calibrated ML model for spam. It is worth noting that FB get probably the world's largest amount of spammers, fraudsters and general bad people due to the fact that they have an absurd amount of users. Honestly, though, if this stays on HN it will get fixed, but it's deeply concerning t…
>It is worth noting that FB get probably the world's largest amount of spammers, fraudsters and general bad people due to the fact that they have an absurd amount of users. Yes, and they make a ton of money from those users as well. So the question is why the Facebooks and Googles of this world don't have proper procedures in place to deal with these things in a sensible way. If a decision gets reversed only after ex…
> If a decision gets reversed only after exploding on Hacker News or Reddit it should be considered a bug.
The problem is that we only see the cases that go viral. We don't see the cases that didn't, and thus can't actually judge how many cases get reversed via the official escalation channels.
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#129If you want to be the centre of the world, if you want to be a public utility, if you want to be the front page of the internet... then you have to have a proper complaints procedure, a proper independent appeals process. Yes it would be very expensive, tough luck.
How about federating censorship (/curation).
That is, anyone can pick who gets to censor / curate their stream. And Facebook just provides the platform. Maybe, for legally required censorship, the platform can still take action. But for anything else, let people pick their censor.
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> The best resolution may be through Ads billing, by trying to post an ad and reporting a problem displaying an ad Something kind of like that worked at the job I a few years ago. A large provider of free email that also runs an ad network (not Google or Microsoft) once kept flagging my employer's emails as spam. The only emails we sent were receipts to people who had purchased stuff from us, an email with installati…
That sounds just like the (very generous interpretation of) Yelp business model. Automated systems that are as effective as elevator door close buttons, & human support available only to paying customers. I think the origin of this wasn't even originally sinister. It's just that "free" services aren't willing to provide human support, so youtube, gmail, etc. rely on automated systems. Ultimately, only paying customer…
Being a YouTube, Gmail or Facebook user you are not their customer. If you however buy ads from said platforms...