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Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth

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Re: Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth

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“Protected Speech” means that the government can’t censor it, not private corporations.

In 2020, Facebook, Google, Twitter, and Cloudflare are bigger gatekeepers of free speech than any government.

Don't you know that serfs living in digital fiefdoms don't have rights? They're living on the lord's property and the lord's property rights must be respected above all else.

Re: Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth

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Hi all! Co-owner of Dreamwidth here.

Pretty cool to see my project hit the front page of HN, but definitely a bit of a /shrug moment on the subject itself. "Facebook gonna Facebook" I think is approximately how we feel about this.

I know here on HN we're used to hearing stories about scrappy startups trying to carve a piece of the pie big enough to exit on, but that is pretty much the exact opposite of what Dreamwidth is. Our motivations are very different, so this FB block is mostly a curiosity to us.

Dreamwidth is a small, neighborhood corner store kind of site. We're run by a couple of dedicated part-time staff (who have other jobs/responsibilities in life -- I personally work for Discord!) and a cadre of amazing volunteers who donate of their time and energy to make a nice little corner of the Internet that isn't driven by the cycle of VC and growth and user monetization.

We do not have any goals around growth, we don't advertise, and we ultimately don't care that much what the other platforms do. Our goal is to give people a stable home where they don't have to worry about their data being sold, their writing being monetized. Users choose to pay us for a few more advanced features (like full text search), and we support ourselves entirely off of that.

We are home to a large group of online roleplayers, Hugo Award winning fiction writers, Linux kernel developers, parents, security researchers, artists, activists, recipe bloggers, educators, and everything in between and around the edges who would rather work with a service owned and run by people who are motivated by something other than get-big-and-exit. Large communities of online roleplayers who get together and build whole worlds on Dreamwidth, who tell stories together. I'm constantly impressed by the creativity of our community.

Anyway, it's super cool to see Dreamwidth on the home page here. It's been my side project for over a decade now, and I'm quite proud of it. Even if modernizing a 20+ year old Perl project is a hellish undertaking at the best of times... but we keep going. :)

Re: Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth

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You think this is a justification to do this? On Hacker News? Really? I do not understand the mindset of some people

If it causes them more trouble than it's worth it's understandable. Someone else pointed out that there was a lot of questionable sexual content on the site and you can't really expect Facebook to micromanage every subdomain.

I don't see why Facebook needs to censor "questionable" sexual content. Individual users and groups have adequate tools to control what they themselves see.

The only point of Facebook's censorship is to control what the willing can see.

Re: Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth

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Interesting place, never heard of it before. > Dreamwidth Studios is an Open Source social networking, content management, and personal publishing platform. Our mission in life is to make it easy for you to share the things you make, and easy to find the people who are making the things you want to enjoy. > We have all the features you've come to love in social networking sites, including privacy and security feature…

Of note, it's one of the only sites that is really about blogging, but with filters so you can choose who can see your stuff -- and you have almost complete control of the comment section. There's a strong culture of moderation.

I feel like it's one of the last pure corners of the internet, technology wise, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised that FB is blocking it.

Re: Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth

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post #104

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If it causes them more trouble than it's worth it's understandable. Someone else pointed out that there was a lot of questionable sexual content on the site and you can't really expect Facebook to micromanage every subdomain.

I don't see why Facebook needs to censor "questionable" sexual content. Individual users and groups have adequate tools to control what they themselves see. The only point of Facebook's censorship is to control what the willing can see.

There are two levels of questionable: what you mentioned works for things like less common proclivities but not for things like revenge porn or other cases where it’s not just a question of what a user is willing to see.

Re: Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth

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Clicking one of the random buttons, it looked like Tumblr to me except it supports freedom of expression. I guess now we know why Tumblr's new parent corp chose to censor nsfw content... (Unrelated: whenever I read something about Tumblr, like its Wikipedia page just now, I'm always surprised to find it in the present tense, not "Tumblr was" but "Tumblr is". To me, it's just dead with the censorship, I never see it b…

If anything dreamwidth is closer to livejournal. Livejournal predates tubmlr by years and years, but there was a migration from livejournal to dreamwidth for reasons I don't fully remember.

there was a migration from livejournal to dreamwidth for reasons I don't fully remember

Livejournal became associated with CP thinly disguised as fanfic. Think Snape and an underage Harry Potter kind of stuff. It was sold to the Russians after its value imploded because all the English-speaking normal users left. The Russian content on there now is as far as I know innocuous; that kind of fanfic is mainly a Western thing.

Re: Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth

#108

Hi all! Co-owner of Dreamwidth here. Pretty cool to see my project hit the front page of HN, but definitely a bit of a /shrug moment on the subject itself. "Facebook gonna Facebook" I think is approximately how we feel about this. I know here on HN we're used to hearing stories about scrappy startups trying to carve a piece of the pie big enough to exit on, but that is pretty much the exact opposite of what Dreamwidt…

Super cool to have people with a mission(other than optimizing KPI for profit). It wasn’t obvious for me how to discover quality content though, any words on how to use this site or how to think about it? Do we need to know people beforehand that publish things that we want to follow?

Re: Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth

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Interesting place, never heard of it before. > Dreamwidth Studios is an Open Source social networking, content management, and personal publishing platform. Our mission in life is to make it easy for you to share the things you make, and easy to find the people who are making the things you want to enjoy. > We have all the features you've come to love in social networking sites, including privacy and security feature…

Yeah, it's an actually good blogging site. Main thing it has against it is the lack of an app. (And that Facebook has just blocked it)

> that Facebook has just blocked it

Also possibly a feature, depending on who you ask.

Re: Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth

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any government? Tell that to people who live in China, N. Korea, or any country controlled by a theocracy. Even in the US some states ban doctors from talking about abortion and/or force doctors to give women seeking an abortion false information.

China has 1.4 billion people. Facebook has over 3 billion users. Gmail has over 2 billion active users. All their products combined probably have more than 3 billion. US has 350 million people. By those numbers alone, aren't tech companies more powerful arbitrators? But that's a bad metric. We should talk about enforcement rather than raw numbers. Government's interest and design won't allow it to censor expressions…

Or, if you're China, you force companies to censor their users as a condition of operating in your country.

Bam, your reach has just expanded to 3+ billion people, most of whom aren't even your citizens.

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