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Headphones are collecting too much personal data (2019)

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Re: Headphones are collecting too much personal data (2019)

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You also can't get firmware updates if you don't install the companion app and allow them to spy on you.

Why do my headphones need firmware updates? Presumably they work fine at purchase.

why do keyboards need firmware updates and companion apps? yet, that's exactly what my razer mech KB required for me to change the slow fade in/out to just "on". Pretty ridiculous and I too uninstalled it after, but who knows if I got it all?

Re: Headphones are collecting too much personal data (2019)

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Re: Personal fitness and menstruation history - Is that shocking? They're earbuds, but they're marketed as fitness buds that track personal data. It looks like Fitbit for your ears. Fitbit and Apple Health (or whatever it is called) does these kinds of things as well. Re: Bose collecting all that stuff I can see "why" they would want all that, in order to optimize their sound output of their buds to the kind of music…

What sound algorithm uses menstruation data to optimize sound output?

"Fitbit for your ears"

Seems pretty clear it is advertised to do more than play audio.

Re: Headphones are collecting too much personal data (2019)

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You can do the opposite of noise cancellation too: determine the back emf from the speaker compared to the audio input, that will give you the audio in the room. So you can use the same circuit both to drive the speaker and use it as a microphone. As good as undetectable until you trace the circuitry of what looks like an ordinary amplifier. The difference is on the order of a few mV but that's more than enough. My p…

No need to use a laser if there’s an incandescent bulb in the room: https://www.wired.com/story/lamphone-light-bulb-vibration-sp...

Oh that's a neat one. Thank you for that link.

Re: Headphones are collecting too much personal data (2019)

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Why in the world would anyone need headphones that need personal info?

Everyone, including headphone manufacturers, are trying to get in on the gold rush that is turning their customers into fonts of personal data that can be sold to the highest bidder.

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Why do my headphones need firmware updates? Presumably they work fine at purchase.

Because we cut a corner somewhere to make a budget device and realized it was a lot more popular and now we have to patch it like if it was a fucking nuclear reactor....

Patching a nuclear reactor sounds scary

Re: Headphones are collecting too much personal data (2019)

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There were two things that happened when Apple got rid of the headphone jack: (1) they added water resistance, (2) the phones got thinner. Plus, Apple had seen the trends heading toward wireless headphones. They still included a dongle to give you a standard headphone jack. While Apple could likely have gotten their water resistance even with the headphone jack, they couldn’t have made the phones as thin. People may…

The phones are thicker now than they ever were with the headphone jack. In fact, the 7 was the last version to get thinner. https://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/articles/301929-image/iP...

Does anybody other than PR/marketing people care about phones being thinner than they are? It's just an excuse to not give better battery life which costs money.

Re: Headphones are collecting too much personal data (2019)

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Re: Personal fitness and menstruation history - Is that shocking? They're earbuds, but they're marketed as fitness buds that track personal data. It looks like Fitbit for your ears. Fitbit and Apple Health (or whatever it is called) does these kinds of things as well. Re: Bose collecting all that stuff I can see "why" they would want all that, in order to optimize their sound output of their buds to the kind of music…

I see this as only another example of how markets with too little, or the wrong kind of regulation so easily creates anti consumer, or anti environment, etc behavior.

... Which makes total sense from a market efficiency point of view, at least as long consumers doesn't have perfect information and the time to stay informed about almost everything. Which isn't true, and people won't be, especially since the most basic decision theory that we can derive from our behavior would go almost entirely counter this.

... Which isn't strange at all as the number of new or changing facts that could affect our living situation probably didn't change as much from 150000 years ago, as changed last week alone.

Sometimes I think one of, or maybe the most damaging lie of our century is that we are generally capable of individual, rational thought for everyday decisions. We really are not, not to any significant fraction.

Almost all our decision are derived from observation of very few instances, judging based on survival instincts, and social cost/benefits.

In contrast much of rules regarding eg advertising and much of economic theory seems predicates that everyone has the time and energy to figure out which toothpaste company also are not totally exploiting some workers in some country five shell companies and thousands of miles away. But I digress.

Re: Headphones are collecting too much personal data (2019)

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Or just update your firmware and then remove the app. Not just Bose, the Sony WH* series is also guilty of this. Great cans, awful app.

It has an app?

Sony has the worst app I’ve ever seen[1], to the point where I legitimately don’t know how it passed the app store vetting process. Paragraphs of text have wrapping disabled so that the text goes off screen (important text, like the TOS!). Text which does have wrapping enabled wraps on character boundaries instead of word boundaries. Bullet-point lists don’t line up. I have no idea how they made it so bad, it feels like it must’ve taken effort to disable things which just work by default?

[1] Circa 2018, I switched to Bose after that...

Re: Headphones are collecting too much personal data (2019)

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Everything spies on you. There's money in it. I've come to believe that this can only be fixed with legislation and regulation. There are no technical fixes that could practically be deployed as there is far too much "attack surface" and anyway there is zero incentive to deploy them. In the meantime: install as few apps as possible on phones, be careful about IoT and personal assistance devices, and use Apple or Linu…

iOS exploits are cheaper than Android exploits because they are so plentiful. Plenty of apps on iOS have been caught activating the camera or snooping on the clipboard on iPhones.
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