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Montreal is taxing churches (2017)

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Re: Montreal is taxing churches (2017)

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post #49

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They should just register as charities. No more special cases.

If you check the law that's exactly what already happens. https://www.thebalancesmb.com/are-there-advantages-to-being-... "There are no direct legal benefits associated with being identified as an FBO."

That's because it's a legally meaningless phrase. Being a church, however, is legally different and gets benefits like not having to register before claiming charitable status.

Re: Montreal is taxing churches (2017)

#122
post #97

Everyone commenting about how great churches are? You’re absolutely delusional. The gross majority of these organizations are bigoted and racist. I grew up in the southern United States and experienced all manner of churches. I don’t care how great your church is. Give me 20 minutes with your congregation and I’ll find the racists and bigots. These assholes promote terrible mental and physical health. They don’t beli…

I grew up in the southern United States and experienced all manner of churches. They’re universally bad. How many churches are you an expert on, exactly?

Well I was raised by a famous “pastor” who traveled around and “preached” to both receptive and dismissive congregations across the US. I experienced more churches than most people.

I’m telling you this whole Christianity thing is a scam.

sudo apt-get remove religion

It’s a mental cancer.

Re: Montreal is taxing churches (2017)

#123

Churches get a bad rap these days, for many reasons. I want to take a minute to defend them. Right away, I want to say that I am not defending religion-driven bigotry, nor megachurches, nor abuse. I don't know about Canada, but in the U.S. churches are still where communities meet, where people connect with the spiritual world, and also the ones doing most of the "heavy lifting" on any kind of charity activity. They…

When it comes to religion, America is the (massive) exception. My local church, that drives 10,000s of nearby resident crazy by ringing it's bells, had 3 people attending last time I stuck my head in. 3. People only use it for weddings, christenings and Christmas. They're not been a part of the community for decades.

Well, actually, Europe is the main exception to the rest of the world. America is in-line with most of Africa, the Middle East, Asia, India, and South America in that religion still plays a major role in everyday life. In fact, religions are growing, not shrinking, worldwide.

Re: Montreal is taxing churches (2017)

#124
The issue with this is always the same: which taxes ddo you want them to pay? Since most churches don't make a profit in the strict accounting sense, their won't be much Corp tax. And (AFAIK) they already pay payroll taxes (the main place church money. You could maybe tighten that up and make sure everyone is declaring benefits (use of the private jet) properly. But the USA just made that whole mess much more generous for CEOs so presumably a mega pastor would benefit from the same allowances. So what's the plan here, sales tax?

Re: Montreal is taxing churches (2017)

#125

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“I don’t like the design of your pacemaker; mind if I take it out and use the parts to build you one I approve of” is not a sales pitch that works often.

Makes me sad that anyone would compare religion to a pacemaker, if this is true then your country surely is lost

I’m pretty fiercely atheist, but the churches around me are where the local homeless get food and a reprieve from the cold. If you closed that today and diverted the money to a secular replacement, there would be a pile of bodies by the time it was operating.

Re: Montreal is taxing churches (2017)

#126
post #97

Everyone commenting about how great churches are? You’re absolutely delusional. The gross majority of these organizations are bigoted and racist. I grew up in the southern United States and experienced all manner of churches. I don’t care how great your church is. Give me 20 minutes with your congregation and I’ll find the racists and bigots. These assholes promote terrible mental and physical health. They don’t beli…

>I grew up in the southern United States

That explains it. Your only experience with Christianity is with the oddest strains of it. I see that stuff pretty often with American "atheists". What they refer to as church feels like a fever dream, or something entirely alien.

>Anyone who thinks, believes, or sells otherwise? You’re a lunatic.

I disagree. You disagree with me, so you're insane.

Re: Montreal is taxing churches (2017)

#127
post #97

Everyone commenting about how great churches are? You’re absolutely delusional. The gross majority of these organizations are bigoted and racist. I grew up in the southern United States and experienced all manner of churches. I don’t care how great your church is. Give me 20 minutes with your congregation and I’ll find the racists and bigots. These assholes promote terrible mental and physical health. They don’t beli…

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Re: Montreal is taxing churches (2017)

#128
post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I grew up in the southern United States and experienced all manner of churches. They’re universally bad. How many churches are you an expert on, exactly?

Well I was raised by a famous “pastor” who traveled around and “preached” to both receptive and dismissive congregations across the US. I experienced more churches than most people. I’m telling you this whole Christianity thing is a scam. sudo apt-get remove religion It’s a mental cancer.

And you'll replace Christianity with what? Another religion? Atheism? Other religions have the same problems and Atheism is its own religion - requires faith to believe.

Humans are religious beings... you won't get rid of it by only focusing on the negative aspects of your own experiences.

Re: Montreal is taxing churches (2017)

#129
post #97

Everyone commenting about how great churches are? You’re absolutely delusional. The gross majority of these organizations are bigoted and racist. I grew up in the southern United States and experienced all manner of churches. I don’t care how great your church is. Give me 20 minutes with your congregation and I’ll find the racists and bigots. These assholes promote terrible mental and physical health. They don’t beli…

> Give me 20 minutes with your congregation and I’ll find the racists and bigots. I can do better than that: I can do that with any group, not just a church congregation!

I was about to make this comment exact comment. It is OP who is delusional about the world around him.

Re: Montreal is taxing churches (2017)

#130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't you only tax profits? If a church isn't making any, then there'd be nothing to tax?

It's not just about the amounts, but the time tax, and the effort tax. Maintaining tax records is not zero-effort.

It's not exactly high effort either. If a business can afford to build a megachurch and run TV campaigns to fill it, it shouldn't have a problem finding the time/money to file a fucking tax return.

I'll happily to make an exception for any church that is truly run as a genuine non-profit charity, and most income really is spent on good work in the community - not on investments and buying really nice things for the pastors.

But that's going to exclude most of these businesses. Unless that changes they won't get any sympathy here.

I remember watching the collection round at a church once. Pensioners who literally had breadline incomes were all putting significant amounts of cash onto a plate - for the Catholic Church, which is literally one of the richest and longest established businesses on the planet.

I will never, ever forgive that organisation for leeching off its poor devotees quite so shamelessly. Likewise for any other church with significant wealth.

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