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LSD chemist William Pickard to be released from prison

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Re: LSD chemist William Pickard to be released from prison

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Post by grayhatter »

pstuart wrote: post #169
cheschire wrote: post #159

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Ugh. Your post is a perfect example of a valid argument, and yet a bunch of people downvote you instead of just having a conversation. Two sheets is at least a few hundred tabs and that is definitely within the realm of possession with intent to sell, legally speaking. And your conclusion wasn't even harsh like "they earned 20" or anything. You clearly said the punishment was harsh for the crime. Jeez people, learn t…

I downvoted for the initial sentence: "I mean, the organized crime groups that sell these drugs do harm people" By that reasoning every gas station should be closed for selling oil that came from Saudi Arabia. How about them apples?

I mean yeah, if you view fruits from a forbidden tree as poisoned/immoral. The logic is sound.

So, they probably don't like dem apples, they're poisoned.

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Post by scarecrowbob »

jrimbault wrote: post #64
MayeulC wrote: post #60

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> but LSD is incredibly easy to hide from regular law enforcement Not that I intend to leverage that knowledge, but you can't just write this and leave it at that. Why so? I've never seen any LSD, so I am not sure why that would be.

Google "lsd paper sheet". It looks like a paper sheet.

NB: if you do this, note that a lot of the images you may get are quite magnified because they are focusing on the art.

While it's very difficult to predictable dose LSD off blotter, it may be helpful to know that most folks aim to have a single "dose" be 6-8mm squares

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Post by perl4ever »

rabite wrote: post #150
vikramkr wrote: post #137

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You see giant protests occupying cities for weeks and your first thought is that americans are totally OK with the state of things? All those folks on the street in Hong kong - they must just be out there celebrating their loss of liberties! It's a big party!

Yeah but the giant protests occupying cities for weeks are not about psychedelics sentences at all. They are generally in support of the state of things, funded by hostile billionaires in hopes that small businesses will be destroyed and that any potential competition in the middle class will disappear with them. People aren't asking for lower LSD sentences, they are demanding an end to "racism" and some kind of pena…

I hadn't heard that, but I can't think of a justification for police to be giving someone fentanyl while arresting them.

Re: LSD chemist William Pickard to be released from prison

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Post by quickthrowman »

grayhatter wrote: post #165
jakemal wrote: post #154

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The only reason such an inhumane black market can exist is because no one is allowed to produce it legally. I would argue regulators are responsible for the harm caused by the trade.

No, you have your logic backwards. The conclusion that with lax drug laws, there'd be less violence associated with drug manufacturing and selling is correct. But the laws don't cause the violence, they make it so violent individuals are the only one's willing to fill the supply. If I outlaw [drug], I'm not responsible because you kill someone trying to sell [drug].

> But the laws don't cause the violence, they make it so violent individuals are the only one's willing to fill the supply.

This is untrue. The vast majority of the US drug trade is done without violence.

There’s violence in the powder/pill drug game because the profit margins are so high, creating an immense amount of competition. Sometimes you can 5-10x your money off powder, that isn’t really possible with marijuana or lsd, unless you are the grower or chemist.

There’s very little violence in the marijuana and hallucinogen markets.

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Post by Sargos »

tutuca wrote: post #155
Sargos wrote: post #148

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We're not okay with this but we have no way to change the laws that are made by our Lords.

Well to be fair. If more population were concerned an actively participating in democracy, by at the least get out and go to vote, some thing would change, for sure. USA has the lowest participation on any democracy I know. Universal obligatory vote is something that does wonders and produce actual change.

I do vote but I also live in a gerrymandered district so my representative is pre-chosen for me. I also live in a non-battleground state where essentially my president is pre-chosen as well. My vote actually doesn't matter much at all.

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Post by site-packages1 »

perl4ever wrote: post #175
worldsayshi wrote: post #103

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> 20 years for each one That is incredible. For a crime that harms noone.

Having no experience with it, nonetheless, the popular impression of LSD is that an incredibly small amount of it can be on something and inadvertently ingested, so I can see the perspective that making, having, or dealing it is an unacceptable risk of harm to people who didn't consent. Is there some reason that's unrealistic?

It is an unacceptable risk for people who didn’t consent, but that’s a different matter. We should punish people who give others dangerous things without consent.

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Post by throwlogon »

grayhatter wrote: post #165
jakemal wrote: post #154

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The only reason such an inhumane black market can exist is because no one is allowed to produce it legally. I would argue regulators are responsible for the harm caused by the trade.

No, you have your logic backwards. The conclusion that with lax drug laws, there'd be less violence associated with drug manufacturing and selling is correct. But the laws don't cause the violence, they make it so violent individuals are the only one's willing to fill the supply. If I outlaw [drug], I'm not responsible because you kill someone trying to sell [drug].

I disagree as well. The violence is an unintended consequence, but it's also a known consequence, and has to be taken into account. You can't separate the good and bad consequences of a decision and wave off the negative ones because they manifest themselves indirectly.

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Post by the_other »

grayhatter wrote: post #165
jakemal wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only reason such an inhumane black market can exist is because no one is allowed to produce it legally. I would argue regulators are responsible for the harm caused by the trade.

No, you have your logic backwards. The conclusion that with lax drug laws, there'd be less violence associated with drug manufacturing and selling is correct. But the laws don't cause the violence, they make it so violent individuals are the only one's willing to fill the supply. If I outlaw [drug], I'm not responsible because you kill someone trying to sell [drug].

The laws don’t directly cause the violence, by they do create an environment in which violence is more likely (or violence around drug manufacture and trade).

Re: LSD chemist William Pickard to be released from prison

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Post by melq »

wayneftw wrote: post #164
cheschire wrote: post #159

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Ugh. Your post is a perfect example of a valid argument, and yet a bunch of people downvote you instead of just having a conversation. Two sheets is at least a few hundred tabs and that is definitely within the realm of possession with intent to sell, legally speaking. And your conclusion wasn't even harsh like "they earned 20" or anything. You clearly said the punishment was harsh for the crime. Jeez people, learn t…

That’s because everybody here already knows that keeping drugs illegal is what is actually funding criminal organizations.

No, what is actually funding those organizations would be the profits of the drugs they are selling. The law may be responsible for creating an environment that allows such groups to prosper, no argument there. But an unjust law doesn't make it morally permissible to work with violent criminal organizations.

In any case I think it is unreasonable to downvote someone who is arguing in good faith simply because you disagree with their premise.

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Post by [deleted] »

perl4ever wrote: post #175
worldsayshi wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 20 years for each one That is incredible. For a crime that harms noone.

Having no experience with it, nonetheless, the popular impression of LSD is that an incredibly small amount of it can be on something and inadvertently ingested, so I can see the perspective that making, having, or dealing it is an unacceptable risk of harm to people who didn't consent. Is there some reason that's unrealistic?

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