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Pothead Ph.D. - This is most definitely not a cautionary tale

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and for anyone with a chemistry background reading the above, be warned that ordering olivetol is a quick way to get a DEA agent to show up at your door

Damn it, I want my Kratom.

the 7-hydroxymitragynine precursors are ok but I don't have the capital to set up an industrial synthesis... for any intrigued chemical engineers there is a lot of money to be made here.

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Oh you poor baby! You have trouble reading and writing and 'rithmetic, so you need a little chemical help. You pussy. Get out of cocoon, er I mean school, get a real job, get married. have a couple of kids, get a mortgage and a couple of car payments, raise those kids without worrying too much about the evils around them, visit Mom in her nursing home, do things for others in need, and, if you have time, have a nice…

I usually love your comments. It's hard to get through changing diapers and managing toddlerhood and stay sane and sharp, and you have, and, you know, respect, yo.

But this right here? Sounds like you just snapped. What do you care if people smoke up in their spare time? Why is it bad if it helps them cope with stress? I'm sure exercise would be better, but doing nothing about stress is probably worse.

Agree: whining about how hard being a student is does make you a pussy. Adding pot doesn't change the equation. =)

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OK if we are talking about anecdotal evidence then how about a colleague of mine who smoked pot every day while doing his PHD. He spent several years doing very little work and then ended up having a major psychotic episode. Without people to support you this sort of thing could entirely derail your life. Fortunately he managed to complete the PHD only after getting off the pot. Having known a number of people who ha…

I've never used an illegal drug, but the plural of anecdote is not data.

It may not be information, but it is most certainly data.

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Oh you poor baby! You have trouble reading and writing and 'rithmetic, so you need a little chemical help. You pussy. Get out of cocoon, er I mean school, get a real job, get married. have a couple of kids, get a mortgage and a couple of car payments, raise those kids without worrying too much about the evils around them, visit Mom in her nursing home, do things for others in need, and, if you have time, have a nice…

I'm not sure why making things easier on one's self should be seen as a bad thing. I mean, I like using high level languages to write software rather than using assmebly for everything. Why wouldn't I use something similar for my mind?

I think this is an intersting prologue to how debates regarding mind-enhancing drugs will take place.

I also note that your reaction was highly...emotional? Your reasoning seems specious. Using marijuana doesn't mean that this person lives in a cocoon or is incapible of hard work or creating value somewhere.

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Damn it, I want my Kratom.

the 7-hydroxymitragynine precursors are ok but I don't have the capital to set up an industrial synthesis... for any intrigued chemical engineers there is a lot of money to be made here.

Here is the thing. For anyone who's good enough at setting up chemistry equipment to be good enough for you, why wouldn't they rather make a few batches of MDMA or LSD instead. Shit, Shulgin has 3 whole books, which, in addition to being keys from an extraterrestrial into the ways our brain works and we experience ourselves, are also recipes for unique psychedelics.

I could imagine people could make a lot more money then doing your legal shit a lot faster by making those analogues and distributing them at high price to the real heads that hang out at places like Alex Grey art shows or consciousness or AI conferences. You'd make a lot of money by knowing a few interesting people and supplying their scientific and artistic circles with these analogues. You could write a very interesting thesis on the results. And, you'd be advancing science a great deal.

In theory of course. We would never expect authentic scientists and hackers to break the boundaries the authority system have prescribed for them. A good scientist will always obey the authorities, and only look in the allowed places for knowledge about how the world works. Any new lens with which we might perceive reality will be brushed under the rug. In fact, we will always bow down to power and aggressively attack anyone who conflicts with the normal way of looking at the world, just like the original scientists did (huh?). These laws and boundaries are essential to conventional power structures. It's scandalous and completely unhackerlike how close you come to violating these systems of control. My idea was completely hypothetical. You disgust me hippy. :)

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OK if we are talking about anecdotal evidence then how about a colleague of mine who smoked pot every day while doing his PHD. He spent several years doing very little work and then ended up having a major psychotic episode. Without people to support you this sort of thing could entirely derail your life. Fortunately he managed to complete the PHD only after getting off the pot. Having known a number of people who ha…

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Let's stop the piling on of edw, okay? Gee -- he just questioned the morality of pot as an aide in student studies. I thought it was funny -- reminded me of a cranky old guy saying "Dang kids today! Toking up and killing brain cells" Note I'm a libertarian and don't think that government has any business with what I choose to ingest. But heck, if you want to post an article on how good it is to toke up for your schoo…

Thanks Daniel (I think). he just questioned the morality of pot as an aide in student studies No I didn't. I challenged the appropriateness of a #1 hn post from a student who uses drugs to get by and then brags about it. The reaction seems very mob-like. I didn't know what to expect, but this was no surprise. Since "net" scores are the only thing that show, I'm curious how many up votes and down votes there were. Eve…

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As an occasional user who lives in just 2 hours driving distance from Amsterdam I will be happy to be convinced by what you say (I mean it). Any references?

I gotta go right now. I got a ton of references, but I'm off to some my yoga class and a nice walk on a beautiful day. I'll post it tonight or tomorrow.

http://www.marijuana-uses.com/essays/002.html Mr. X By Carl Sagan This account was written in 1969 for publication in Marihuana Reconsidered (1971). Sagan was in his mid-thirties at that time. He continued to use cannabis for the rest of his life.

http://www.marijuana-uses.com/essays/028.html

By "Russell Ambrose" Russell Ambrose (a pseudonym) is a musician: aged 47, composer, jazzer, conductor, teacher. Time alteration, contact highs, and intensified sensual experiences are discussed, while cannabis is considered as a gateway for access to altered states in a non-drug context.

http://www.marijuana-uses.com/essays/076.html Marijuana Stimulates Creativity and Enriches Experience By Jon Byrne, MD Dr. Byrne has, on and off, explored the role of cannabis in enhancing consciousness and enriching experience since his late teenage years. After attending a top five medical school, he came to San Francisco to undergo residency training at UCSF and currently lives and practices medicine in the San Francisco Bay Area. As a successful part-time researcher, he has published in prominent journals and has frequently presented his work at national meetings. (Jon Byrne is a pseudonym).

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Your life sounds like it sucks because you did not use the consciousness altering properties of drugs to decide how to meet life on it's own terms and do your work here on earth. Doing drugs while you are young is a great way to avoid becoming this bitter later in life. You remind me of a slightly more evolved version of those 90 year olds who hate anyone who isn't as repressed and miserable then they are. So you mad…

You figured all that out about me from a single post? Amazing. Your massive inellect and talent is wasted here at hn. Looking forward to seeing you on Dr. Phil.

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Your life sounds like it sucks because you did not use the consciousness altering properties of drugs to decide how to meet life on it's own terms and do your work here on earth. Doing drugs while you are young is a great way to avoid becoming this bitter later in life. You remind me of a slightly more evolved version of those 90 year olds who hate anyone who isn't as repressed and miserable then they are. So you mad…

edw hit a nerve, didn't he?

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