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Independently Poor: A Twist on FU Money – a.k.a. “FU, Money”

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I feel like being poor has lost a lot of its negative stigma. These days I find myself casually letting people know that I'm poor in order to get more favorable treatment. There are so many highly skilled poor people these days that there is not so much stigma around it. Being poor is basically a natural state for the vast majority of people in their 20s to 40s. My ex-colleagues often discuss how little money they ha…

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>> At one time while I was homeless, relatives helped me deal with some of my financial drama >> I was able to resist such pressures and make decisions for myself, including moving my bank account at a later date on terms that made more sense for me, because I had some maneuvering room in the form of food stamps and knowing where I could get a free meal or free clothes. Food stamps didn't cover some essential nonfood…

This so much. It felt so weird that this person was talking about poverty and blogging/reading on the internet at the same time . Few poor people in the third world would know what blogging even is, forget about even wasting precious resources like time, money for a smartphone and an internet connection just to read/write some ideas which few are ever going to read and you won’t be making anything out of. This feels…

It doesn't feel that weird to me, but there's a reason her blog would resonate with me in particular.

I was homeless myself, briefly, half a lifetime ago. I ended up dedicating my life to coding free and open-source audio DSP software, which I do to this day under the name 'airwindows'.

Part of my motivation for this choice is a determination to give functional tools to a community that may have artistic ability and the ability to learn audio production skills, but can't come up with the money to do this using cutting-edge hardware. CPU cycles are impossibly cheap, ESPECIALLY if you are able to do functional work on 'last year's' computers, which is why I take pains to code stuff that doesn't require current computer systems (particularly significant on Mac OSX, which deprecates stuff like mad to render older systems nonfunctional).

In my opinion, you should be able to not only blog, but do a professional grade mix on a digital audio workstation using only a cast-off semi-working laptop from years ago that somebody no longer needed. Your bottleneck would be monitoring: professional quality speakers and amplification are harder to come by that way, but even then modern advances in class D amplification and a bit of ingenuity go a long way (I run a subwoofer where the speaker part was insanely cheap, because I used cardboard builders tubes for enclosures, capped on both ends by inexpensive woofers, and doubled for more cone area)

With intelligence and effort it is more than possible to break the link between access to capital, and potential performance. You can compete on the grounds of ability and quality and increasingly remove access to capital as a gatekeeping mechanism.

If you don't do that, one might conclude that poor people are lower quality and not capable of worthwhile things.

One resource that my work does NOT address is mental attitude: I can make a person think, 'I now have the tools to pursue audio production' by giving the tools, but I can't make a person think, 'I can step back and think about life and the world I'm in, outside the narrow lens of capitalist status seeking'. It's nice that Silicon Valley entrepreneurs, Google employees and trust fund kids can view life outside the immediate struggle to not die: I think that's very civilized and laudable, in a way it's the whole point of being human. This blog about 'FU, Money' is an alternate path to the same goal.

Re: Independently Poor: A Twist on FU Money – a.k.a. “FU, Money”

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I don’t know if this is tangential or completely related to this article, but at some point I realized the greatest thing I could have was the freedom to change everything about my life at any given moment. I realized that unless I had that freedom, I was never really free. Now, every choice I make is colored by question: if I make this choice, what choices do I lose? How can I make a choice that keeps me from losing…

By limiting yourself to choices that do not cause loss of choice in the future, are you still free to choose anything? You value this freedom so much that you limit the choices you can make significantly only to retain this freedom, but unless you "cash in" that freedom at some point to make a choice without restrictions (which will probably limit your freedom of choice in the future) you are living with a limited choice-space just the same.

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> I also really like the scene in Titanic where the rich guy tries to buy his way into a lifeboat and gets told his money won't be worth anything at the bottom of the ocean.

In reality of course, first class passengers were more than twice as likely to survive as third class ones.

Re: Independently Poor: A Twist on FU Money – a.k.a. “FU, Money”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Ultimately, I concluded that being able to choose wasn't really about money per se but was about maneuvering room. Yes, having sufficient resources helps, but making choices in life and exercising free will is not directly related to how much or how little money a person has. It helps if you have some confidence you won't starve or otherwise experience catastrophe, but that isn't about money per se. I am not being…

The piece states pretty early on that it was being written for a forum I run on Reddit called Gig Works. It is aimed primarily at Americans looking for alternative work arrangements and at people who are homeless or at risk of homelessness in the US because they are twice exceptional or have other barriers to regular employment. It promotes the idea that not only can beggars be choosers, they need to be if they are e…

> It promotes the idea that not only can beggars be choosers, they need to be if they are ever to resolve their problems.

I wish you had said this directly in the article because I had a tough time figuring out your point.

Re: Independently Poor: A Twist on FU Money – a.k.a. “FU, Money”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The piece states pretty early on that it was being written for a forum I run on Reddit called Gig Works. It is aimed primarily at Americans looking for alternative work arrangements and at people who are homeless or at risk of homelessness in the US because they are twice exceptional or have other barriers to regular employment. It promotes the idea that not only can beggars be choosers, they need to be if they are e…

> It promotes the idea that not only can beggars be choosers, they need to be if they are ever to resolve their problems. I wish you had said this directly in the article because I had a tough time figuring out your point.

Thank you. That's good feedback.

Re: Independently Poor: A Twist on FU Money – a.k.a. “FU, Money”

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Thanks to covid, I have experienced how it must be to not have fu money.

I'm not entirely sure why, but many companies are now hoping to take advantage of the rise in unemployment by trying to lock in highly skilled workers at a low salary. The way those job offers were presented, it seemed like they were feeling like my savior in a shining armor for offering job openings in these challenging times. But they were asking for lots of experience, unpaid overtime, yet offered less than what I currently make for part-time. Their main argumentation point was that it's better to be underpaid than to be unemployed.

I assume that that's how most people who don't have fu money are treated, because they are not in a situation that allows them to negotiate. But of course, accepting such an offer might prevent you from accumulating a safety deposit in the future.

Maybe the best way is to go with Aladdin: If you don't have anything, act like you own everything.

Re: Independently Poor: A Twist on FU Money – a.k.a. “FU, Money”

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Thanks for writing an important piece. I had shit hit the fan before and wound up in being a begger that thought they could not choose and getting burned and being a begger that made hard choices and sacrifice for a long term goal. There is a lot we can do without to end vicious cycles of being vulnerable and being preyed upon. I completely agree with your comment of clarification that you to sort your shit truly out you must be choosey

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>> At one time while I was homeless, relatives helped me deal with some of my financial drama >> I was able to resist such pressures and make decisions for myself, including moving my bank account at a later date on terms that made more sense for me, because I had some maneuvering room in the form of food stamps and knowing where I could get a free meal or free clothes. Food stamps didn't cover some essential nonfood…

I figure there's probably a name for this sort of comment (which appears a lot on Hacker News). Would it be "relative privation"?

One-upper?
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