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Independently Poor: A Twist on FU Money – a.k.a. “FU, Money”

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Re: Independently Poor: A Twist on FU Money – a.k.a. “FU, Money”

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I dunno why your being so harsh. It's not a competition on who who had the most dreadful circumstances. FYI, the average life expectancy in Papua New Guinea is 64. Homelessness, even in a first world country, is objectively a bad situation to be in regardless. I am thankful to the author for sharing her reality with me. I appreciate her lucidity which is a huge asset I think.

>> Ultimately, I concluded that being able to choose wasn't really about money per se but was about maneuvering room. Yes, having sufficient resources helps, but making choices in life and exercising free will is not directly related to how much or how little money a person has. It helps if you have some confidence you won't starve or otherwise experience catastrophe, but that isn't about money per se. I am not being…

The piece states pretty early on that it was being written for a forum I run on Reddit called Gig Works. It is aimed primarily at Americans looking for alternative work arrangements and at people who are homeless or at risk of homelessness in the US because they are twice exceptional or have other barriers to regular employment.

It promotes the idea that not only can beggars be choosers, they need to be if they are ever to resolve their problems. This was a theme of my first homeless blog that was written while I was in actual fact homeless. (I'm not currently.)

I've been on Hacker News for eleven years, so some people recognize my name and know some of my back story. A previous version of this article, which is no longer available to the public, did surprisingly well a few years ago. Since it is no longer available, I reposted the updated version because I figured it might be of some interest to some people here.

I have two sons who tend to be pretty literal and as children they would say things like "You are too heavy for me to pick up -- unless we are in water or if we were on the moon...etc." Most people aren't that literal and I gave plenty of contextual cues in the piece as to whom I am trying to speak to.

You are rebutting a phantom argument where, in your mind, I am speaking to people who literally cannot read my words due to a combination of lack of internet access and lack of literacy and lack of knowledge of the English language. Most people don't think that's a reasonable argument to make since it's a pretty obvious fact that my blog post isn't being written with the idea that those people will be reading the piece and taking any advice from me.

About a third of Americans have not paid their rent/mortgage this month. There is a global pandemic on and articles are predicting that upwards of 20 million Americans will be evicted between now and September.

It may not be anything you care about because there are people in worse straits, but it's a very big problem for the US currently.

I'm in no position to help illiterate people in third world countries who have no internet access. I am in a position to help Americans who find themselves in dire straits all of a sudden due to a global pandemic or due to personal factors unrelated to the pandemic.

Those are the kinds of people I hope to reach. There is zero intent to lecture illiterate people in third world countries who lack internet access. That is so far outside of my intentions, that it "goes without saying." So it wasn't said.

Re: Independently Poor: A Twist on FU Money – a.k.a. “FU, Money”

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I feel like being poor has lost a lot of its negative stigma. These days I find myself casually letting people know that I'm poor in order to get more favorable treatment. There are so many highly skilled poor people these days that there is not so much stigma around it. Being poor is basically a natural state for the vast majority of people in their 20s to 40s. My ex-colleagues often discuss how little money they ha…

It's always been a totally normal conversation, at least where I live (the UK), for the last few decades.

I had a colleague who complained that he couldn't reasonably be expected to live on his pitiful salary, which turned out to be £80k (about $120k, adjusted for inflation).

Poverty oneupmanship from 1967: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKHFZBUTA4k

Re: Independently Poor: A Twist on FU Money – a.k.a. “FU, Money”

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Coming at it from a different perspective, I did something similar to this by saving money on a US salary and then moving to a low cost of living country. I spent years at a time not working or even thinking about how to make money. I think almost everyone has felt the pain of financial and social obligation, but very few people have experience a total lack of such obligations for years at a time which leads to thing…

I work remotely and live in a low cost of living country, but find that's not very true for me. I always have my own projects and hobbies to work on, and I love working on them whenever I want to. I feel pretty motivated and fulfilled with that, so I don't get the feelings you mention.

Not having a job can sometimes feel like you don't have a long-term purpose, but I think that's mostly because we've been used to working, rather than any intrinsic thing. Besides, I don't know why having a long-term purpose at work is any more fulfilling than a long-term hobby.

Re: Independently Poor: A Twist on FU Money – a.k.a. “FU, Money”

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Coming at it from a different perspective, I did something similar to this by saving money on a US salary and then moving to a low cost of living country. I spent years at a time not working or even thinking about how to make money. I think almost everyone has felt the pain of financial and social obligation, but very few people have experience a total lack of such obligations for years at a time which leads to thing…

Well, there's always a healthy option in the middle. I'm not exactly up to speed on what the pay is like in the USA (which is where I presume most of the users here hail from), but getting at least $3-4k is enough to work remotely from some place like Thailand or a small European country. You still get the benefit of a traditional-ish social life, where you "go" to work every day, talk to people and then have some ti…

With $3-4k you can live more than decently in 99% of Europe. Sure, it might not get you very far in the most expensive cities like Geneva, but otherwise you can can have anything between a very comfortable and a very lavish lifestyle. This is subjective, after all a luxury car or a top of the line Mac are just as expensive wherever you go. But for the amenities of regular life you really shouldn't worry about missing out on much when living in Europe on that kind of money.

Re: Independently Poor: A Twist on FU Money – a.k.a. “FU, Money”

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Alexander: Greetings, I am Alexander of Macedon. If you be the philosopher they call the Dawg, let me know your wish, and I shall grant it. Diogenes: Before your shadow fell on me, I had been lying in the sun. Step aside a pēchys or two, and I'll resume. In The Dispossessed , the anarchist Shevek is surprised to find that his political polar opposite, Atro, has a kindred soul: > "In some ways he was totally incompreh…

Is that you, amanfrommars? https://forums.theregister.com/post/search/?q=amanfrommars

Which reference to "FU, money" wants expansion? Ἀλέξανδρος/Διογένης or Shevek/Atro (or even Διογένης/Ἀρίστιππος)?

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Re: Independently Poor: A Twist on FU Money – a.k.a. “FU, Money”

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post #24

Coming at it from a different perspective, I did something similar to this by saving money on a US salary and then moving to a low cost of living country. I spent years at a time not working or even thinking about how to make money. I think almost everyone has felt the pain of financial and social obligation, but very few people have experience a total lack of such obligations for years at a time which leads to thing…

I could have written this exact comment. Hits the nail on the head. There is something unique about working in a job, collectively - with other people - on something that imbues your work with purpose. It doesn't feel like if you give up tomorrow, it was all for naught, because someone else will pick up the baton. I have a feeling this communal work is to some degree evolutionarily baked in.

Re: Independently Poor: A Twist on FU Money – a.k.a. “FU, Money”

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FU Money, and FU Paperwork, is basically what I gradually came to live, after gradually unsubscribing from all of it. It's been an amazing experience, and yes, very freeing.

What's FU paperwork? Only relevant Google hit I see is pointing to this comment.

Don’t know what parent commenter meant but for me it’s multiple passport and qualifications that will fly anywhere.

So when a country doesn’t work out I just go somewhere else.

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