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Re: LSD chemist William Pickard to be released from prison

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jul 25, 2020, 10:15 AM UTC

082349872349872 wrote: post #29

zelly wrote: post #13

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To make an example out of them and discourage others, prevent a cottage industry from forming. LSD manufacturing scales immensely. One lone wolf could create enough LSD to serve the whole United States demand, maybe even the global demand. LSD is also harder to manufacture. You generally need at least a MS degree and lab experience. The people who fit that profile tend to think about the future enough to respond to t…

A friend of mine once asked his TA about (my memory fails here) either how to activate a leaving group or set up a protecting group at a given hypothetical structure. The TA, without batting an eyelid, responded "I think you'll find all the precursors are scheduled, too." The next lab, the TA, presumably having reflected a bit and in the middle of an unrelated discourse, added "remember, always characterise any synth…

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Re: LSD chemist William Pickard to be released from prison

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Post by brodo » Sat, Jul 25, 2020, 10:16 AM UTC

throwaway9955 wrote: post #27

For those that want LSD but not have to be a criminal I recommend trying 1-P LSD which has the functional class of LSD without being illegal in most countries, happy tripping. If you're on the wall about trying it micro dose and work your way up to something functional.

It’s illegal in Germany since last year I think. But there is a new one 1P-a LSD (or something like that) which is supposed to be legal.

Re: LSD chemist William Pickard to be released from prison

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Post by vertis » Sat, Jul 25, 2020, 10:16 AM UTC

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #24

kitteh wrote: post #10

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Friend of a friend got caught with two sheets in the 90s and I think he got 20 years for each one. Downstate Illinois. My recollection was the weight of the blotter paper was considered as the drug itself and that easily increased the federal sentencing guidelines.

When I was arrested and searched the police didn’t even find the 200 tabs I had on me. They found everything else, but LSD is incredibly easy to hide from regular law enforcement. They found everything else, but in typical stupid-police fashion, they ballsed that up too and ended up entering a nolle prosequi (do not prosecute) at the district court level. The police prosecutor was sufficiently annoyed, and I was suff…

More details please. Sounds like a fascinating story.

Re: LSD chemist William Pickard to be released from prison

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Post by jrimbault » Sat, Jul 25, 2020, 10:20 AM UTC

MayeulC wrote: post #60

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #24

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When I was arrested and searched the police didn’t even find the 200 tabs I had on me. They found everything else, but LSD is incredibly easy to hide from regular law enforcement. They found everything else, but in typical stupid-police fashion, they ballsed that up too and ended up entering a nolle prosequi (do not prosecute) at the district court level. The police prosecutor was sufficiently annoyed, and I was suff…

> but LSD is incredibly easy to hide from regular law enforcement Not that I intend to leverage that knowledge, but you can't just write this and leave it at that. Why so? I've never seen any LSD, so I am not sure why that would be.

Google "lsd paper sheet".

It looks like a paper sheet.

Re: LSD chemist William Pickard to be released from prison

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Post by masklinn » Sat, Jul 25, 2020, 10:24 AM UTC

tdeck wrote: post #47

sybarita wrote: post #22

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Please read this, Krystle is an evil person https://thislandpress.com/2013/07/28/subterranean-psychonaut...

Any kind of TL;DR for this? It's quite a commitment to read.

According to the testimony of Brandon Green (the victim), Cole actively participated in his torture and mutilation alongside Skinner, she apparently even paid Green's rent in advance so nobody would look too hard for him. The case is really fucked up: https://caselaw.findlaw.com/ok-court-of-criminal-appeals/125...

She got off basically scot-free (she's on youtube and IG) because she most likely snitched, and it probably helped that she was a young white woman.

Not that Skinner doesn't deserve everything bad that could happen to him, he was the main torturer of Green, and a DEA informant and the reason Pickard got caught, and got life.

Re: LSD chemist William Pickard to be released from prison

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Post by totony » Sat, Jul 25, 2020, 10:27 AM UTC

jrimbault wrote: post #64

MayeulC wrote: post #60

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> but LSD is incredibly easy to hide from regular law enforcement Not that I intend to leverage that knowledge, but you can't just write this and leave it at that. Why so? I've never seen any LSD, so I am not sure why that would be.

Google "lsd paper sheet". It looks like a paper sheet.

Bottler usually has drawings and cutoff that make if very easy to recognize though.

Re: LSD chemist William Pickard to be released from prison

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jul 25, 2020, 10:28 AM UTC

kitteh wrote: post #17

zelly wrote: post #13

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To make an example out of them and discourage others, prevent a cottage industry from forming. LSD manufacturing scales immensely. One lone wolf could create enough LSD to serve the whole United States demand, maybe even the global demand. LSD is also harder to manufacture. You generally need at least a MS degree and lab experience. The people who fit that profile tend to think about the future enough to respond to t…

You also need precursors (like ET) which is difficult to get. Though China is a pretty good source if you can pull it off (and for other things like safrole, etc.).

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Re: LSD chemist William Pickard to be released from prison

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Post by _-___________-_ » Sat, Jul 25, 2020, 10:28 AM UTC

sybarita wrote: post #21

sibeliuss wrote: post #15

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A+ interview and history

I urge you to look into Krystle's story more. She's an absolutely vile person who participated in the torture and attempted murder of her boyfriend, Brandon Green. https://thislandpress.com/2013/07/28/subterranean-psychonaut...

If that's true, surely there's a less rambling source available than that one?

Re: LSD chemist William Pickard to be released from prison

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Post by masklinn » Sat, Jul 25, 2020, 10:32 AM UTC

non-entity wrote: post #26

Jesus 2 life sentences for manufacturing LSD? Wonder what people were getting for drugs that actually kill people.

As zelly notes below the US has mandatory life sentence for certain amounts of drug production. Under 21 USC § 848(b), a life sentence is automatic for the principal administrator of a "continuing criminal enterprise" involving in excess of 300 times the quantities listed at 21 USC § 841(b)(1)(B), which for LSD would be (v):

> 1 gram or more of a mixture or substance containing a detectable amount of lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD)

By all accounts, Pickard had produced kilos of LSD.

Not defending the life sentence (let alone two concurrently), but it's a logical consequence of the US's fucked up laws & sentencing guidelines.

> Wonder what people were getting for drugs that actually kill people.

Depends, were they "black" of "leftist" drugs that "actually kill people"? I don't think anyone got jailed over leaded gas.

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Post by cyberbanjo » Sat, Jul 25, 2020, 10:37 AM UTC

tdeck wrote: post #47

sybarita wrote: post #22

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Please read this, Krystle is an evil person https://thislandpress.com/2013/07/28/subterranean-psychonaut...

Any kind of TL;DR for this? It's quite a commitment to read.

It's a gripping read.

It describes a drugging, kidnapping alongside a torture, in part arising out of a love triangle and a clanenstine drug lab in an ex-Military middle silo.