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Turns out half the internet has a single-point-of-failure called “Cloudflare”

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Wowfunhappy wrote: post #329
DrJosiah wrote: post #304

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Hi! I work at hCaptcha (we handle the CF captchas), and to respond specifically: audio is inaccessible for those with visual and auditory processing issues, as well as being broken by ML techniques. Not to project, but we suspect this is why Google turns it off if your browser looks at all suspicious. Another user mentioned the Privacy Pass solution: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23902870 While Privacy Pass is…

Ugh. That accessibility login solution sounds awful , but at least it's available. I can definitely understand why you don't want to have an audio option, given that by all accounts they're next to useless.

Give it a try. It's so easy it feels like hacking.

Re: Turns out half the internet has a single-point-of-failure called “Cloudflare”

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miki123211 wrote: post #380
virtue3 wrote: post #317

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It might be worth filing an ADA compliance notice against cloudflare. This is seriously disturbing. As someone that works in ed tech - anyone that supports higher education is required to support screen readers etc. If any of those sites are using cloudflare that would block them from being compliant pretty seriously.

I'm not american, otherwise I would definitely do so. This issue is mostly unnoticeable, as long as you're not considered malicious to Cloudflare, everything works perfectly and passes accessibility audits. When something weird happens and Cloudflare flags you, you cannot access the system at all. For those doing accessibility audits out there, this kind of issues might be worth looking into, as they're very non obvi…

Have you tried our accessibility option? https://www.hcaptcha.com/accessibility

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afiori wrote: post #348
ztjio wrote: post #321

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I used to feel and think this way. But recent events, and the trajectory of the internet over the last decade has changed my mind completely. We must stop giving excuses to the massive centralization, to the enormous companies that step in and rent-seek what is supposed to be a distributed system. The most powerful tool we could have to get a proper internet back is the simple concept of accountability. If I was a ba…

This does not really make sense, it would be perfectly fine if two products existed, a cheap inaccessible captcha and a more expensive perfectly accessible one with companies offering both of them to users.

Have you tried our accessibility option? It's perfectly accessible https://www.hcaptcha.com/accessibility

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Post by alexnewman »

1f60c wrote: post #268
miki123211 wrote: post #250

Cloudflare is horrible for blind people. Screen readers, the programs that use synthesized speech to tell us what's on the screen, cannot read images. Good captchas usually have audio equivalents (which come with their own set of problems), but this one doesn't. If you're blind and flagged by Cloudflare for some reason, you're cut off from accessing half the internet, potentially critical banking/governmental/medical…

Thank you for sharing your experience. Cloudflare switched to using hCaptcha a couple months ago, I think and I only just noticed that they do not offer an audio-based captcha. However, hCaptcha integrates with Privacy Pass[0], and you can top up your tokens by solving a captcha at [1] and [2]. What you could do (and I realize this is far from ideal), is getting a sighted friend to solve a couple of captchas so you h…

We also have a special accessibility mode https://www.hcaptcha.com/accessibility
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