Ian Goodfellow is at Apple but doesn’t appear in any of these papers. Interesting.
Is he on something too secret to reveal? Leading the SDC effort? The Karpathy of Apple?
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#22The open stance on R&D that the industry is currently adopting is good for everybody involved. I hope it will become the norm someday.
Journals and other centralized entities that regulate access to science should wane and disappear, the sooner the better.
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think that's actually true. Lots of stuff gets published that could (and if the bean counters had their say _would_) be "hidden". But NONE of it is published by commercial labs before all the patents are filed. MS Research cranks out an amazing number of patents. As does Google Brain and Deepmind. Then they have this Mexican standoff and "license" patents to each other. But _some_ select stuff does not get pu…
Isn't it just defensive ? Is there any instance of anyone using or licensing an ML patent ? Mostly people like IBM, MS, etc. were doing patents anyway for decades, and they continue to do so. So everyone else has to play the same game. I don't think there has been any big case involving patent infringement over ML/AI.
It's "defensive" only until the company starts sliding financially, at which point it becomes _very_ offensive. That's how IBM got MS into this game: one day IBM lawyers showed up with an invoice at Bill Gates' office.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not sure about this: a lot of interesting work is just hidden because of NDAs, commercial IP, military, etc. You will never see anything made public until necessary and just the minimum amount required.
I don't think that's actually true. Lots of stuff gets published that could (and if the bean counters had their say _would_) be "hidden". But NONE of it is published by commercial labs before all the patents are filed. MS Research cranks out an amazing number of patents. As does Google Brain and Deepmind. Then they have this Mexican standoff and "license" patents to each other. But _some_ select stuff does not get pu…
And a lot of stuff doesn't get published until the system described is already obsolete.
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#25Ian Goodfellow is at Apple but doesn’t appear in any of these papers. Interesting. Is he on something too secret to reveal? Leading the SDC effort? The Karpathy of Apple?
I think he joined last year, not sure when. Maybe that has something to do with this.
EDIT: He joined in March 2019 as Director of the Special Projects Group.
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#26Hats off to people like Carlos Guestrin & John Giannandrea, who seem to have pushed a cultural shift through Apple. I didn't think I'd see a site like this a few years ago, based on Apple's historic reputation of strongly discouraging employees from publishing research.
Not to take away from the people who worked hard to shift the culture (which is always hard at a large company), but I saw the same shift happen at Amazon and it came down to a simple fact - it's very hard to recruit and keep the best talent if you don't publish. You don't build ML reputation and the best researchers often don't want to work somewhere where they can't add papers to their resume.
Amazon also launched their own portal for showcasing their publications. https://www.amazon.science/
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#27i'd love to work at machine learning, machines are too dumb.
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#28Discussed 3 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14804018
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#29Hats off to people like Carlos Guestrin & John Giannandrea, who seem to have pushed a cultural shift through Apple. I didn't think I'd see a site like this a few years ago, based on Apple's historic reputation of strongly discouraging employees from publishing research.
"You don’t become a man until your father dies."
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
I use NDA talk as a marker of seniority of the person I'm talking to. If the person says they can't discuss this and that due to NDA, they are usually junior people. When you talk to senior people, they know what they can and cannot talk about, and will walk the line carefully, but never ever bring up NDA in any conversation.
Yeah but there are also senior people whose heads are so far up their butts. Definitely a situation at Apple that gets cargo-culted elsewhere. The line they walk is in the service of their own egos. Senior people are rarely in possession of the sort of detailed knowledge that is actual valuable IP to steal - that's like, in the documents and code. They want to get chauffeured in a Bentley. [1] They want everyone to h…
> What are the odds any of them are like Shigeru Miyamoto, whose body guards brought around shrouds because last time he turned one of his day to day activities into a video game, it made billions of dollars?
Sorry, what's all this about?