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Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by hombre_fatal » Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 4:28 PM UTC

noarchy wrote: post #276

hombre_fatal wrote: post #155

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> Nit: Not sure what this is supposed to mean. Is this an attempt to mimic how you speak aloud? It's to add condescension.

>It's to add condescension. That was my assumption. Things like "um" and "uh" tend to be silence-fillers, among other things (see below). It's weird to see them being typed-out, and I've noted an uptick in how often I see it being done. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_disfluency

> I've noted an uptick in how often I see it being done

Yep.

There's something about internet culture that rots our ability to have conversations with others. It's something I've also noticed in myself (it's easy to complain about everyone else) as someone who, sheepishly, has snuck in a juvenile "Um..." when I think I've really got'em good.

I suspect the uptick in just this sort of rot going mainstream. Like instead of bringing your in-person social skills online when the internet was newer, and then becoming corrupted over time, people are just born into the rot from a young age.

And frankly it takes eternal vigilance to stay a noncombative and fair online.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by sparkie » Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 12:39 AM UTC

ehsankia wrote: post #564

sparkie wrote: post #478

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I do acknowledge that Youtube is a service provider as well as a surveillance company, but I don't agree with the terms on which they operate, so I elect not to use all of their service. I'm not "entitled" to anything, but the content is accessible to me without being spied on, so this is the way I will consume it until the creator uses an alternative, non-surveillance company to distribute their content. The onus is…

> The onus is on the content creator But again, hidden behind that is indeed an air of entitlement. It implies that you are owed content from the creator, and if the creator decides to put it on Youtube, then they are giving away their rights to be compensated by you. And you still don't really acknowledge that what Youtube (not the creator) is providing you should be compensated either. If you found a shortcut for g…

It's nothing to do with Google being rich - it's about them running an unethical business model of spying on people and selling catalogues of their behavior without their full knowledge or necessarily their consent. (Let's admit, this model relies on the vast majority being naive about data collection and sharing practices.)

The entitlement is actually from Google et al. They think they're entitled to aggregate your data simply because you visit their web page - but we know that the internet does not necessarily work that way, and an ad blocker can thwart their efforts.

I don't think I am entitled to other people's content, but I can access it - that's what happens when you put things in a public space like the internet. The content creator is fully aware that some people are going to block ads and they still upload it anyway. Perhaps they get more viewers by making their content public rather than hiding it behind a paywall?

The store comparison does not work because there is a deprivation of a physical product involved. No deprivation occurs with digital data which can be cloned an infinite number of times. You might argue that you are depriving the provider of bandwidth, but they have elected to make something public with the understanding that they may not be compensated for that bandwidth.

The surveillance business model is only sustainable for as long as people are willing to give up their data in exchange for services. If they are not willing, then Google et al will have to find a new business model. They aren't entitled to your data just because they've made some content publicly accessible and you have chosen to access it whilst maintaining your own privacy.

Perhaps there will be other options for monetization of content other than the surveillance-company-masked-as-advertiser model. Where you can pay for stuff without giving up your privacy.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by on_and_off » Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 8:56 PM UTC

anoncake wrote: post #561

harshitaneja wrote: post #536

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You opt-in when you decide you want to consume content made with effort by the creator and hosted with effort by youtube. In a lot of countries, you have an option to opt out of "emotional manupulation through ads" by subscribing to youtube premium.

You don't understand what "opt-in" means or you're pretending you don't.

lots of people pretend they don't understand in this thread

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by nonplus » Sun, Jul 26, 2020, 12:44 AM UTC

drewg123 wrote: post #606

nonplus wrote: post #369

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> Has anybody used it recently on AndroidTV / FireTV? Yes I use newpipe on a Nvidia shield as my primary youtube client. There are at least 3 of us who open tickets as issues come up for Android TV. It's not the most polished experience, but as of 0.19.5 it's functional. It rarely pulls videos above 1080p quality for some reason, but if I have to choose between 4k content on the youtube client and 1080p with my priva…

Interesting. I installed it, and I have no problem getting 4K videos. Playback seems fine. I can't figure out how to make it do a 10s skip forward / backward that you do on phone/tablet by tapping on the left or right side of the screen. I tried all the buttons on the shield's game controller after not being able to skip on my remote. I can change the focus to the timeline, and skip that way, but its not as nice as a…

I think it's mostly the subscriptions I have/the content happens to be 1080p.

Skipping ahead/forward works out of the box on my harmony remote, long press on the button.

I'm not sure what it would be on the default shield remote (mine is broken).