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Re: FBI wants public help solving encrypted notes from murder mystery

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Post by jcsoup »

lewcifer wrote: post #110
thinkalone wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is there a way to just output the letters as a stream of phonyms? After noticing the frequency of NCBE, I focused on these three lines from the first document: (FLRSE PRSE ONDE 71 NCBE) (CDNSE PRSE ONS*E 74 NCBE) (PR+SE PRSE ONREDE 75 NCBE) They seem pronounceable in a sort of pig-latin style - "Flur-say pur-say ohn-day 71 nick-bay" > although its tough to say "oranger than orange with a texture like crumpled sandp…

Or, Jesus, even how he died. I never saw anything about what actually killed him. A tap to the back of the head? Strangulation? The FBI is not being very smart if they actually want information from the public.

What is really odd is that the FBI is handling this case. What made this a Federal case?

Re: FBI wants public help solving encrypted notes from murder mystery

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Post by jcsoup »

fragarach wrote: post #118
Backdraft4837 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well over half the time E is used it is preceded by the letter S. It seems E is only used with very few letter preceding it. BE, LE, RE, TE and SE

not a reply. but at the bottom p1 (194 wld's ncbe) (194 countrys of the world map.) 194 recognized countrys in the new world order. dec 71 UN meeting investigate. sep 74 UN meeting investigate. re dec UN meeting investigate. E is used as a statement ending. its not code but personalized info. also look up compounding intrest and sinking bonds. 99.84.8 is a intrest table rate at 7%. 99.84% at 8 years

Interesting. I was looking at the letter strings as possible penny stock symbols

Re: FBI wants public help solving encrypted notes from murder mystery

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Post by jcsoup »

fragarach wrote: post #118
Backdraft4837 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well over half the time E is used it is preceded by the letter S. It seems E is only used with very few letter preceding it. BE, LE, RE, TE and SE

not a reply. but at the bottom p1 (194 wld's ncbe) (194 countrys of the world map.) 194 recognized countrys in the new world order. dec 71 UN meeting investigate. sep 74 UN meeting investigate. re dec UN meeting investigate. E is used as a statement ending. its not code but personalized info. also look up compounding intrest and sinking bonds. 99.84.8 is a intrest table rate at 7%. 99.84% at 8 years

Interesting. I was looking at the letter strings as possible penny stock symbols

Re: FBI wants public help solving encrypted notes from murder mystery

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Post by thinkalone »

photographerbyd wrote: post #114
thinkalone wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is there a way to just output the letters as a stream of phonyms? After noticing the frequency of NCBE, I focused on these three lines from the first document: (FLRSE PRSE ONDE 71 NCBE) (CDNSE PRSE ONS*E 74 NCBE) (PR+SE PRSE ONREDE 75 NCBE) They seem pronounceable in a sort of pig-latin style - "Flur-say pur-say ohn-day 71 nick-bay" > although its tough to say "oranger than orange with a texture like crumpled sandp…

I found it quite hard to decipher the original images the FBI provided.. So I pulled them into Photoshop converted them to Grey-scale and ran them through a Genuine Fractals routine and mathematically increased the resolution by 700% without losing any image quality, then I filtered them 3 times with some unsharp masking, to bring out some hidden details, finally I inverted the colors which makes several characters t…

Pretty cool - it definitely helps to read things better, although it actually resulted in me removing more characters from my transcription! After seeing them more clearly, I was less confident to make a judgment on which letter they may be.

I'll include my transcription below. I've marked questionable characters with an asterisk, and the circled sections are enclosed in square brackets:

Document 1 - P1

  (MND MK NE* RSE-N-S-*-KNARE) (ACSM)
  *TFRNE NP*NSE NPBSE RCBBNSE NPRSE 1NC
  PRSE NM*SE *PREHLD WLDNCBE(TFXL* TCXL NCBE)
  AL-*RPPIT XLYPPIY NCBE M*KSEWCD RCBR NSE PRSE
  WLDRCBRNSE NT **NE*T*SE-CRSLE-CITRSE WLDNCBE
  ALWCPNCBETSME LRSE RLSE UR GLSNE AS N WLDNCBE
  (NOPFSE NLSRE NCBE) NTE GDDMNSENCURERCBRNE
  (TENE TFRNE NCBRTSENCBE 1NC)

  (FLRSE PRSE ONDE 71 NCBE)
  (CDNSE PRSE ONS*E 74 NCBE)
  (PR+SE PRSE ONREDE 75 NCBE)

  (TF N*CMSP SOLE MRDE LUSE TOTE WLD*WLDNCBE)
  (194 WLD'S NCBE)(TRFXL)
Document 2 - NOTES

  [ ALPNTE GLSE-SE ER+E
  YLSE MTSE-CTSE-WSE-FRTSE
  PNRTRSE ONPRSE WLD NCBE
  N WLD XLRCMSP NEWLD STS MEXL
  *ULMT * TUNSE NCBE ** ]

  [ (M*NSA*STEN MUNARSE)
  KLSE-LRSTE-TR SE-TRSE-M*SE *-MRSE
  (SAE*NSE SE N MRCE) ]

  [ NMNRCBRNSE PTE 2PTE WSR*B****
  36 MLSE 74SPRKS E 29KE NO*OLE 175 R*RSE
  35 SLE CLGSE *UNUT*E *KRSE PSESHLE
  651 MTCSE HTLSE NCUTCTRS NMRE
  99.84.5 *UNEPLSE NCRSE AO*TSE N S*SE N* SE
  N5REONSE PVTSE WLD NCBE (JXOR*) ]

  [ *NMSE NRSE 1N2 NTRCE RCB*NSE NTSRCR*N
  LSPNSE N GSPSE MKSE R BSE N CBE *XL*R

  HM CRE N MRE NCBE     1/2 MUN D DLSE ]

  [ D-W-M14 *PL X*RLX ]

Re: FBI wants public help solving encrypted notes from murder mystery

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Post by rabbimagus »

double122 wrote: post #32

I thought this could be a fun 'challenge'... I'm inclined to believe that this is potentially ciphered in English, due to, what look to be stiking similarities between the alphabetic character frequencies of the notes: http://d122.com/murdermystery/freq.png and the frequencies of characters in English: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:English_letter_frequency_(... If anyone else wants to have a play here is my (roug…

You need to decipher the code using the Hungarian language not English. The only set of words in the entire two pages that could be translated to a meaningful English phrase is on the first line of page 2 (NOTES) The words are "SE ERTE", which means "I do not understand" in Hungarian. It is not unusual for people that speak foreign languages to intermix languages. In this case however, its placement on the first line of the "NOTES" page seems to be a "Key" to solving or "Understanding" the crypto.

Re: FBI wants public help solving encrypted notes from murder mystery

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Post by rabbimagus »

jcl wrote: post #40
double122 wrote: post #32

I thought this could be a fun 'challenge'... I'm inclined to believe that this is potentially ciphered in English, due to, what look to be stiking similarities between the alphabetic character frequencies of the notes: http://d122.com/murdermystery/freq.png and the frequencies of characters in English: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:English_letter_frequency_(... If anyone else wants to have a play here is my (roug…

I would guess that he is using "E" as a separator, since it seems to occur at almost all end-of-lines and before punctuation/numbers. And maybe the letter just before "E" has some significance, as there is only a small set of letters that appears there, with "SE" extremely frequent. It's possible that he is stripping out vowels as a kind of shorthand.

The most common letters in Hungarian are e and a

Re: FBI wants public help solving encrypted notes from murder mystery

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Post by jclaassen »

pero wrote: post #21
proexploit wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. I'm certainly not their ideal codebreaker but would have given it a go for fun trying to come up with some off-the-wall stuff based on what I do but the lack of disclosure is a huge turn off.

How about them not feeling charitable enough to offer any reward for something they've probably wasted many thousand man-hours on?

Yeah, but think about how many more thousands of man-hours would be wasted if there was a reward.

Re: FBI wants public help solving encrypted notes from murder mystery

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Post by wlievens »

random42 wrote: post #17
sophacles wrote: post #12

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A bit of pedantry: it is "on the lam" not "on the lamb" but that is a common enough misconception that I feel pointing it out is actually productive rather than nit-picky.

Absolutely. I am not a native speaker, so I appreciate it, when people improve my knowledge of the English language.

Same here.

Your last comma is probably superfluous, I think.

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