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Re: Indian IT consultancies struggle against technological obsolescence

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Post by demadog »

kumarski wrote: post #43

I have a team of 14 engineers in Pakistan. It wasn't always easy to do this and now I always feel at odds with hiring where everyone else is hiring or paying a premium for a western passport developer when I know I can get killer talent elsewhere. I feel the talent we have now has the ability to crush, kill, and destroy the talent in Silicon Valley "engineers" at a fraction of the price in terms of output to input ra…

You have great ideas on Twitter!

Your website doesn't show any specific projects you've done, and I totally understand client NDAs, but is there anything you can share to help understand your perspective and experience?

I'm genuinely curious and not trying to call you out, you seem brilliant and your team sounds like it, but it's hard to verify because there's no public projects from what I can see on your website or Twitter.

Re: Indian IT consultancies struggle against technological obsolescence

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Post by heisenbit »

ilikerashers wrote: post #57

I'm not sure I'm bought into this. I consulted at a big bank and am currently at a government department where I can see the in-house trend reversing. 10 years ago there was a big backlash against outsourcers and tech moved to "Agile" delivery and shiny AWS. Companies started investing believing they were being left behind. We're going through a low point in the hype cycle right now. Blockchain/AI/Data science have a…

Yes, if enterprise systems were easy SAP would have cornered the market long ago. Or Oracle for that matter.

One of the most valuable experience in my education was being forced to write a review and discuss in class ‚There is no silver bullet‘. Better tools will not stop the flow of new requirements. And being good enough for todays business does not stop your competitor trying to outmaneuver you.

The dynamic may change once silicon progress has slowed down but until then it will be risky to stop innovating.

Re: Indian IT consultancies struggle against technological obsolescence

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Post by andybak »

senkora wrote: post #98
klodolph wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wrong—“codes” is correct in the Indian dialect of English. This is akin to arguing over whether “color” or “colour” is the correct spelling.

Is it like fish and fishes? fish = plural for many of a single kind of fish fishes = plural for multiple kinds of fish So by analogy: code = any amount of code from a single project codes = plural for code from multiple projects I'm American and this is how I use code/codes, so I'm curious whether you make the same distinction, or if you always use codes.

Brit here.

It's always "code" and "codes" sounds like something a non-technical middle manager would say and get sniggered about behind his back.

Re: Indian IT consultancies struggle against technological obsolescence

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Post by goatforce5 »

la6471 wrote: post #75

This feeble attempts to generalize a whole nation or group of people will not succeed. Individuals differ from one another and Indians are the most diverse group in the world. Some of the engineers are good some are bad , just like everywhere else. The sooner humanity realizes the truth about individuality and discard the stereotypes attached to groups and aggregates the better it will be for the whole world. Amen.

> and Indians are the most diverse group in the world

What metric(s) are you using to measure that diversity?

I live in Toronto, Canada, and approximately 50% of residents here were born overseas. Toronto likes to boast it is one of the most diverse cities in the world (based on that metric, at least).

Re: Indian IT consultancies struggle against technological obsolescence

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Post by afrojack123 »

hogFeast wrote: post #12

This is still very shallow thinking. Every company that views tech as a cost rather than a way to generate revenue will invest in these contracts/offshore centres, and that is the noose round their neck. In most cases, but not all, hiring consultants suggests you don't understand enough about your own business to manage it yourself ( insert image of senior executive trying to work out the Zoom so they can check their…

Forever employee spotted. Every company that uses Shopify instead of developing their own e-commerce site considers tech as a cost. Health care insurance companies are not interested in joining the advertising, SaaS, hardware tech biz. For them IT is a cost. A mandatory cost that supports the business in the same way legal and finance do. If you took away the insurance policies but only had IT, the business wouldn't exist.

Re: Indian IT consultancies struggle against technological obsolescence

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Post by eloisius »

senkora wrote: post #98
klodolph wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wrong—“codes” is correct in the Indian dialect of English. This is akin to arguing over whether “color” or “colour” is the correct spelling.

Is it like fish and fishes? fish = plural for many of a single kind of fish fishes = plural for multiple kinds of fish So by analogy: code = any amount of code from a single project codes = plural for code from multiple projects I'm American and this is how I use code/codes, so I'm curious whether you make the same distinction, or if you always use codes.

Sounds like saying “the sands from beaches around Florida” to pluralize code to me. How much is a single code?

Re: Indian IT consultancies struggle against technological obsolescence

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Post by klodolph »

senkora wrote: post #98
klodolph wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wrong—“codes” is correct in the Indian dialect of English. This is akin to arguing over whether “color” or “colour” is the correct spelling.

Is it like fish and fishes? fish = plural for many of a single kind of fish fishes = plural for multiple kinds of fish So by analogy: code = any amount of code from a single project codes = plural for code from multiple projects I'm American and this is how I use code/codes, so I'm curious whether you make the same distinction, or if you always use codes.

I’m American, this is just my take on it.

I don’t think fish / fishes is quite right. Look up “code” in the dictionary and you get at least two different senses of the word:

1. System of substituting letters/words/symbols/etc. for letters/words/symbols/etc, e.g. “morse code”. Countable noun.

2. Computing program instructions. Uncountable noun.

This is not like fish / fishes, because “fish” is countable—I can have one fish or two fish. When talking about computer programming instructions, I cannot have one code or two codes, but I can have one line of code or two lines of code. Just like I cannot have a bowl of one thousand rice, but I can have a bowl of one thousand grains of rice. Rice is “uncountable” in the grammatical sense even though it seems like you should be able to count it.

In Indian english, my understanding is that for the second sense above, “codes” is correct and “code” is incorrect. In that sense it is probably similar to “data”, in the historical usage where “data” was plural (in modern usage, “data” is often considered singular).

So, “The codes are on my hard drive.” makes sense to Indian english speakers, and “The data are on my hard drive.” makes sense in historical (say, early 20th-century) English. There is a singular version of data, “datum”, but rarely used.

Re: Indian IT consultancies struggle against technological obsolescence

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Post by BossingAround »

gourabmi wrote: post #72
_the_inflator wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I've talked with a lot of different Indian and similar 'offshore' engineers, developers and managers and most of them ended up in the place they did due to choices between being a farmer or being an IT person, being in a poor province vs. being in a less-poor province, and being able to support your parents. Almost none of them had an upbringing, background, or base passion for technology or IT in general." This sad…

You get what you pay for. That holds true everywhere.

Umm... 20$ an hour, meaning 3200$ a month, would be quite a nice salary in a lot of Europe (Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Poland, ...). You get people with BAs or MAs in comp science who have been developers for 2-5 years.

While I'm sure some will say that 3.2k is ridiculous in country X, I personally met people in all of the above countries working for less while being more experienced.

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Post by renewiltord »

senkora wrote: post #98
klodolph wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wrong—“codes” is correct in the Indian dialect of English. This is akin to arguing over whether “color” or “colour” is the correct spelling.

Is it like fish and fishes? fish = plural for many of a single kind of fish fishes = plural for multiple kinds of fish So by analogy: code = any amount of code from a single project codes = plural for code from multiple projects I'm American and this is how I use code/codes, so I'm curious whether you make the same distinction, or if you always use codes.

It's closer to how some dialects of English will say "Do you want to come with?" and consider that a complete sentence.

FWIW, there is no harm in the correction. "codes" is correct in Indian English, Indian English is a variant just as much as Australian English is, and people abroad will auto-bucket you as less intelligent than someone speaking more common forms. So it is still a smart action to switch yourself to the more common forms.

Re: Indian IT consultancies struggle against technological obsolescence

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Post by BossingAround »

klodolph wrote: post #107
senkora wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it like fish and fishes? fish = plural for many of a single kind of fish fishes = plural for multiple kinds of fish So by analogy: code = any amount of code from a single project codes = plural for code from multiple projects I'm American and this is how I use code/codes, so I'm curious whether you make the same distinction, or if you always use codes.

I’m American, this is just my take on it. I don’t think fish / fishes is quite right. Look up “code” in the dictionary and you get at least two different senses of the word: 1. System of substituting letters/words/symbols/etc. for letters/words/symbols/etc, e.g. “morse code”. Countable noun. 2. Computing program instructions. Uncountable noun. This is not like fish / fishes, because “fish” is countable—I can have one…

"When referring to more than one species of fish, especially in a scientific context, you can use fishes as the plural." [1]

It's the same as peoples... [2]

[1] https://www.grammarly.com/blog/fish-fishes/

[2] https://www.grammarly.com/blog/persons-people-peoples/

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