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Ask HN: Are there any software jobs in nature/animal conservation?

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Re: Ask HN: Are there any software jobs in nature/animal conservation?

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I don’t know of any opportunities, but if anyone’s taking ideas for products in this domain then I would like an app or website that links volunteers with animal shelters, farmstays and other places that could use a few extra hands. It could be like a combination of Airbnb and Couchsurfing etc. that serves a specific niche.

https://www.workaway.info is what you're looking for

Thanks. From a quick scan of the site and their safety information page, it seems they do not handle payments between users like Airbnb does, or do they?

And since they require an upfront membership fee, has anyone here used Workaway? How was your experience?

Re: Ask HN: Are there any software jobs in nature/animal conservation?

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This is not directly answering your query but you might sometimes be surprised at the positions available at major companies that work towards your goal of nature conservation. For example, I had a stint at Siemens working on an project that managed customer site environments. This meant doing things to help them conserve energy and helping them save money by reducing power waste. I am guessing Siemens doesn't come to mind as an environmental pioneer in spite of their work on wind power, etc. but there you are: it was functionally one of the more gratifying jobs I had.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any software jobs in nature/animal conservation?

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There are several startups working on conservation/anti-poaching initiatives using image recognition and/or drones.

https://airshepherd.org/

https://wildlifeprotectionsolutions.org/

https://observer.com/2017/05/artificial-intelligence-can-sto...

Re: Ask HN: Are there any software jobs in nature/animal conservation?

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It's most certainly better for your soul, but get ready to take a pay cut. After a short career in game development and a much longer career in museum/library/archives, my take is that our societies values are out of whack: the more your job benefits your community and the planet the less you will get paid, and vice versa. It's even worse for social services. You'll also take a hit in your reputation among other deve…

Can you elaborate why you speculate a hit in reputation? I'm pretty sure it would be the opposite.

Meaningful domains in tech jobs are looked up to by peers in my experience.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any software jobs in nature/animal conservation?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the more your job benefits your community and the planet the less you will get paid, and vice versa. It's even worse for social services. In a free market economy, this is an entirely false statement. People pay for the things they value. They more they value it, the more they pay. Compare the amount of hours spent playing video games to the amount of hours spent touring museums. It's not close. People value video…

well, if museums would drive the same marketing campaigns (read propaganda or simply media based manipulation), this might easily change... Also generally the amount of time you can spend in museums is somehow limited, as most don't allow you to be active (like videogames do in a sort of lobotomied way). As for your example: if you compare the amount of time people play in bands/sing in choirs (often without any dire…

> this might easily change

This is a perfectly testable hypothesis in the free market. You can start a museum and market it, and see if you generate a profit. If you don't, then you have to fund it yourself (pay) or hope a handful of others value it and pay.

> often without any direct money involved, e.g. around church or school

There's much money involved in organizing people and having venues for whatever it is they do inside those venues. In these cases, the people paying for these organized singing events are what you would consider a patron. Churches and schools aren't free.

Modern instruments cost a lot of money, lots of labor to produce.

As far as just some friends getting together and signing because they enjoy it, that's obviously free. But it's not a service that someone else is providing to you, that's just something you're doing because you feel is has value. What would be more analogous would be having a civic center where people perform and.... people pay money to enter the venue and be entertained.

Some people greatly value libraries and museums. I don't. Those people should pay for them. If from time to time, I might want to use their services, I would gladly pay. If there was a membership required, perhaps I would enroll if I felt the cost was worth the benefit. This happens every day for many other industries.

Anyway, the root of the point was that people don't value librarians so they don't get paid as well as programmers. This is true. If it wasn't true, they would be paid more. I know this really hurts the socialist sensibilities of people on this site, but it's the cold hard truth.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any software jobs in nature/animal conservation?

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A few thoughts:

- https://4returns.earth/network/job-listings/ is in the regenerative ag space - lists some tech jobs if you search for them. (e.g. try https://4returns.earth/network/job-listings/?searchval=devel... )

- Conservation is only one area, and the term 'conservation' itself is a frame I've been more critical of after reading papers like https://www.uv.es/jgpausas/papers/Pausas-Millan-2019_BioScie... which have been making me think some of the problems we have might be more with abandoning land for the city. Another frame of thinking about about is how/where you want to live and go from there - I'm really questioning whether one should live in "today's society" - that doesn't mean going off-grid entirely but living in a way that's local/bioregional oriented..

- I'm skeptical of the tech-focused effort on only looking at co2 because it doesn't account for the other problem areas (google "planetary boundaries framework" to learn about biodiversity collapse/nutrient flows and how those are much bigger problems), but there's the airminers folks: http://www.airminers.org . Again, while this falls more in the tech frame I'm not sure I'd spend time on it.

- While I disagree with some of the recommendations around 'effective altruism', it's another path worth considering if your survival requires making money at the moment. You could say, work at a mapping or weather-related company spend then leverage the experience later on for more direct action. At the moment I haven't quit my dayjob yet but am taking an "Ecosystem Restoration Design" course (https://www.gaiaeducation.org), donated to various things, and participate in a study group around these topics (https://earth-regenerators.mn.co) and feel like that so far has helped in developing a perspective before jumping into anything.

- almost forgot, Patagonia's Action Works seems to have a really good platform for finding tech volunteering on environmental projects: https://www.patagonia.com/actionworks/

Re: Ask HN: Are there any software jobs in nature/animal conservation?

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post #17

It's most certainly better for your soul, but get ready to take a pay cut. After a short career in game development and a much longer career in museum/library/archives, my take is that our societies values are out of whack: the more your job benefits your community and the planet the less you will get paid, and vice versa. It's even worse for social services. You'll also take a hit in your reputation among other deve…

A friend who has always worked in NGOs/charitable trusts shared an interesting observation about all this.

She said that people in the top at these NGOs and trusts are usually get paid filthy rich like a CEO/Director would get paid but it pretty much ends there. Everybody else down the line are expected to expect and accept pittance. She said a salary negotiation among rank and file is frowned upon, especially by the people who are high up on the ladder and they are the same people who crib about not attracting top talent.

Wish passion alone could fill the belly and pay medical bills.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any software jobs in nature/animal conservation?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.workaway.info is what you're looking for

Thanks. From a quick scan of the site and their safety information page, it seems they do not handle payments between users like Airbnb does, or do they? And since they require an upfront membership fee, has anyone here used Workaway? How was your experience?

Yes, the membership fee is a bit annoying but I paid because my girlfriend and I were planning on volunteering abroad - then the pandemic hit.

So I haven't actually done one of these workaways.

> it seems they do not handle payments between users

Most of the offerings you will find on there will only provide you with housing, maybe food, in exchange for labour. Some do pay, but I strongly suspect that it is in cash.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any software jobs in nature/animal conservation?

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Check out Tech Jobs for Good: https://techjobsforgood.com/?q=&impact_areas=Environment&imp... Big NGOs also need technical people, too. Check out the Humane Society, Sierra Club, Greenpeace, Compassion in World Farming, etc. They aren’t going to be the highest paying jobs and there are all sorts of downsides but it’s a way to use your skills to make a difference in the world.

Many would just need, at least me, a decent salary for sustaining comfortably (in my case that would be fine in just 50% of my CTC or even less) but a stellar medical insurance (yeah, I want that covered!) and work-life balance which also includes being treated and respected as a human being.
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