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FAA issues emergency directive on 2,000 Boeing 737 NG, Classic planes

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Re: FAA issues emergency directive on 2,000 Boeing 737 NG, Classic planes

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The only person here that knows what they're talking about. Everyone's talking about calipers :/

I love that out of all the more complex ideas about what may have been used, it turns out likely to be a solid piece of metal with of a given thickness, couldn't get more simple than that.

They're deceptively simple. If you want to get into the history of modern manufacturing, a lot can be written about the development of gauges of accurately known dimensions.

Re: FAA issues emergency directive on 2,000 Boeing 737 NG, Classic planes

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One of the inspection checklist items: Measure the clearance between the flapper bushings at both locations on each engine bleed air 5th stage check valve. If the clearance between the flapper bushings is a minimum of 0.004 inch (0.102 mm) at both locations, the engine bleed air 5th stage check valve at that location has passed this inspection. I knew that aviation engineering dealt with tight tolerances, but boy, it…

This tool would be capable of performing that measurement with 0.001" accuracy. https://www.harborfreight.com/feeler-gauge-32-pc-63665.html Someone performing maintenance in their garage on an internal combustion engine would encounter the need to measure the same tolerances, for example, adjusting valve clearances. This is a common and accessible measurement task.

Strictly speaking, it wouldn't. One of the interesting things the aviation industry deals with is a need for traceability of the metrology all the way back to NIST standards. That extra test, certification, and paperwork has a price. Compare the harbor freight example with this one: https://forneyonline.com/feeler-gauge-set-26-leaves-0015-to-...

Re: FAA issues emergency directive on 2,000 Boeing 737 NG, Classic planes

#83

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If you're into 3D Printing, feeler gauges are also a great way to level your bed... move the extruder 0.04 above the bed at four points, stick your 0.04 feeler under it and adjust the springs until it touches the feeler. Voila, one perfectly leveled 3D printer bed.

Most people use a sheet of paper for this. I wouldn't use it to check the tolerances of an airplane part, but it gets you 99% of the way there.

I like the sheet of paper method, but I have gotten a lot more use out of a $0.15 feeler gauge and I get consistently better prints... but I don't have the tools to scientifically quantify it so it could be placebo.

Re: FAA issues emergency directive on 2,000 Boeing 737 NG, Classic planes

#84

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I love that out of all the more complex ideas about what may have been used, it turns out likely to be a solid piece of metal with of a given thickness, couldn't get more simple than that.

They're deceptively simple. If you want to get into the history of modern manufacturing, a lot can be written about the development of gauges of accurately known dimensions.

I went down a rabbit hole of videos last yearish about the origins of precision (that should be a searchable phrase to get started).

Re: FAA issues emergency directive on 2,000 Boeing 737 NG, Classic planes

#85

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They're deceptively simple. If you want to get into the history of modern manufacturing, a lot can be written about the development of gauges of accurately known dimensions.

I went down a rabbit hole of videos last yearish about the origins of precision (that should be a searchable phrase to get started).

Go find a PDF of "Fundamentals of Mechanical Accuracy" by Wayne R. Moore, if you haven't already seen it. That book, along with George Daniels text "Watchmaking" are some of the top inspiring works on the mechanical arts in my collection.

Re: FAA issues emergency directive on 2,000 Boeing 737 NG, Classic planes

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One of the inspection checklist items: Measure the clearance between the flapper bushings at both locations on each engine bleed air 5th stage check valve. If the clearance between the flapper bushings is a minimum of 0.004 inch (0.102 mm) at both locations, the engine bleed air 5th stage check valve at that location has passed this inspection. I knew that aviation engineering dealt with tight tolerances, but boy, it…

I'm sure car engines have similar tolerances.

Re: FAA issues emergency directive on 2,000 Boeing 737 NG, Classic planes

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The only person here that knows what they're talking about. Everyone's talking about calipers :/

Who even uses calipers for critical precision? Calipers are for dimensions machinists append with -ish, as in four thousandths-ish. Important dimensions deserve a micrometer, especially the feeler guage that just said you need to tell your boss to scrap a 737. Decent machine shops even have different classes of micrometer; there's the one you carry in your pocket, and then there's the fancy set locked up in your boss…

You don't scrap a 737 for some worn out parts.

Re: FAA issues emergency directive on 2,000 Boeing 737 NG, Classic planes

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I have been wondering how dangerous flying is going to be when when / if it comes back and all these planes come out of storage. Mechanical things just sitting around is some times far worse than them being in constant use.

Luckily, this is already pretty standard practice for airplanes.

I worry a little more about theme parks that don't do winter shutdowns or might not have done the full shut it down for the winter procedure with sudden lockdown orders. The regulatory environment is also sketchier.

Re: FAA issues emergency directive on 2,000 Boeing 737 NG, Classic planes

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For small 4-6 seater general aviation aircraft it's hard (relative to a normal landing), but not at all unheard of. A modern 4 lane highway is more than wide enough, and very probably has a long enough straight section within range, to make for a relatively uneventful landing if you can get traffic to cooperate. You're absolutely correct though when it comes to larger aircraft. I rather doubt there are any examples o…

> I rather doubt there are any examples of an off airport landing of a 737 without significant damage to the aircraft. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TACA_Flight_110

Well, I stand corrected. That's both surprising and an incredible feat of airmanship by the pilots!

Since I love reading about these kinds of incidents and the best way to solve a problem is to claim it's impossible, I amend my claim to "I rather doubt there are two examples of an off airport landing of a 737 without significant damage to the aircraft." :)

Re: FAA issues emergency directive on 2,000 Boeing 737 NG, Classic planes

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The title here should have "737 NG, Classic" not "737 NG Classic". As in "Boeing 737 NG and Classic aircraft", not "Boeing 737 NG Classic aircraft".

Or even more clearly, "Boeing 737 NG and 737 Classic", since it wasn't obvious to me that they're all 737 variants.
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