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Re: Buy on Google is now open and commission-free

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"Solve shipping"... Shipping packages is a solved problem in many countries. You order something, before the shipping company picks up the orders for today at the sell, anywhere from 17:00 to 22:00. It shows up at your door the next day or a pickup point of your choosing.

To truly compete with Amazon, they need convenience. Buying packages from mom&pop retailers to ship can yield anywhere from 1 day to 3 week delivery times. Aside from a strong anti-Amazon conviction, where's the motivation for consumers to do that? To achieve convenience requires either building out a logistics infrastructure on the scale of Amazon, which is clearly a business Google doesn't want to be in, or to appr…

The US, and other large countries, may be the special case in this situation.

Having something shipped from Amazon, and other non-local webshops means waiting for a few days, or weeks. While ordering from any online store (even the mom and pop retailers) within the country will almost always be next day delivery, and you get to pick between at least two shipping companies.

For selection and availability, pick any local price comparison site, and just order from which ever is cheapest and have the item in stock.

Re: Buy on Google is now open and commission-free

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Sounds noble but if google are at the helm then that's the opposite of what I want. I'm not Amazons biggest fan but Google are the last people on earth I'd want to have my purchase history. Yeah they look all corporate good with their no commission / seller first attitude but it's just another data harvesting excersize & I'd rather not buy at all than buy through Google for 'free'.

If you use google for email they already have your order history...

right on.

I use ProtonMail but most of my email is with people who are on gmail. Oh well.

I know it would be very niche but it would be interesting to see an online store built around Signal, or something similar (assuming a proper privacy policy on not monetizing your data).

Re: Buy on Google is now open and commission-free

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post #145

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If you use google for email they already have your order history...

Precisely why I don't use Gmail. I know that most people I correspond with use Gmail, so it's somewhat pointless, but at least my use of Protonmail adds some friction to the system when I use it for buying stuff.

I feel the same way. I am happy to do little things to push back on surveillance capitalism.

Of topic, but the ProtonMail service just keeps getting better and better. I just tried Hey email for about 5 days, really liked the pretty UI, but it felt good to switch back to ProtonMail.

Re: Buy on Google is now open and commission-free

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The author Douglas Rushkoff ("Throwing Rocks at the Google Bus," etc.) has a lot of good things to say about the long term dangers of relying on huge retailers like Amazon (and now apparently Google).

I am making an effort to find much smaller online retailers. About 4 months ago I started using VitaCost for some food items, an to be honest their service initially was not great (possibly they were overwhelmed at the beginning of covid-19 lock-down). However, they just kept getting better and better and now I use my shopping history to reorder very quickly. Reading their privacy policy, they do share your purchase history with marketing partners and I can only hope this is on a smaller scale than having Google having my purchase history.

A counter example: my wife and I needed a new coffee pot and I knew the brand I wanted. I went to that company's web site, tried to order, but was referred to Amazon and Walmart Online. Oh well.

Re: Buy on Google is now open and commission-free

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post #146

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This would almost certainly be illegal (antitrust violation) and probably wouldn't be worth the firestorm even if it was legal.

OK they'll raise seller prices and offer discounts for exclusivity.

Exactly. Or just lower vendor search rankings.

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I noticed Amazon has stopped informing you what you actually purchased in their confirmation emails (though the emails still have other purchase suggestions in them). I'm guessing that might be partially to prevent the info from being conveyed to Google in Gmail.

I can almost guarantee it's to get you to click back into the store for re-engagement.

I think it can be for both giving less data to Google and to get you to re-engage at Amazon.

Re: Buy on Google is now open and commission-free

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They need to solve shipping. Partner with Uber (or hey, Waymo) to pick up and drop off packages from shops to consumers. An alternate model would be to make search good enough let consumers find stores within a radius of their current location selling X, and price compare them. E.g. I need a widget - stores a, b and c are selling it. Store a is $14.99 and 5 miles away, store b is $8.99 and 15 miles away, store c is $…

They need to partner with the US Postal Service and the USPS needs to become the primary delivery method for this type of retail. The USPS has the advantage of already visiting every reltail location 6 days a week for mail delivery. As far as society as a whole is concerned, adding additional postal workers to the workforce is a lot better than adding more temporary gig workers.

I think this is a great idea. In fact, I would like to see Google partner with things like Craigslist or FB Marketplace to list items from anyone and then use USPS to ship them. It would be like the worlds largest yard sale.

    1. Dig something out of your basement that might be worth something; Treadmill, Pokemon Cards, etc.
    2. "List" it on Google Shopping
    3. USPS picks it up and delivers it
    4. PROFIT!

Re: Buy on Google is now open and commission-free

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This doesn't seem to solve the main problem I have with Amazon: even when I know exactly what I want, it's impossible to find. Amazon hides the thing you want behind the items they want you to buy instead, and they allow fakes and spammers to flourish. They never have the right aspects in their search filters, either. Looks like Google is the same way. I can't find an A19 LED light bulb with 2700K color temperature a…

If I search for Pixel 3 case on Amazon, it will also return Pixel 3 XL cases. If I search for 1440p IPS monitor, it will mix in some monitors that aren't 1440p, and some that aren't IPS. I'm not sure if it's because they don't want to solve the problem, because they don't care, or because somehow having customers need to spend more time on Amazon to research their purchases perversely leads to people spending more ti…

Audible does this thing where when I search for an author, it constructs a bag of words based on the titles of books that show up for that author, then retrieve based on that bag of words, then rank by like popularity of the returned books. So if a different, more popular author has written books with similar titles (which is very easy given a trilogy with storm-themed titles) you will occasionally see a book by the wrong author as the number one result.

Every time it happens I want to quit my job and force them to hire me to fix it.

Re: Buy on Google is now open and commission-free

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post #148

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Implement AMP and get rewarded with a carousel position (ie. better rankings). Implement a faster-than-amp experience using plain HTML+CSS and get... at worst: nothing. At best: you'll get up-ranked slightly. But, no matter how much faster (or better) your page, you will never, ever, be above, or in the carousel. How do you consider that "baseless"? It's obvious that Google rewards sites that do things the way it dic…

". At best: you'll get up-ranked slightly." " you will never, ever, be above, or in the carousel." Read what you write please.

It could have been expressed more clearly, but I'm not clear what's so obviously wrong with what I said that you felt the need to be rude.

What I said: You'll get up-ranked, but will always be below the carousel. Therefore being in the carousel is an unfair advantage of AMP.

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