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Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders
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Re: Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders
#142But what are you sacrificing in return for your “perseverance”? Very few people tend to look at the mind as a system, and also seem to ignore that depression, anxiety, panic disorders, etc. happen for a reason. The reason why modern humanity have increased risk of these symptoms is because they know, given their perhaps wrongly learned models of the world or otherwise, that even when they achieve their so-called life…
sacriciing nothing. perseverance is hard work. it's all it is.
also i'm on twitter as nidnogg if you wanna know what hard work is yo i'll tweet you back if you like.
Re: Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders
#143But what are you sacrificing in return for your “perseverance”? Very few people tend to look at the mind as a system, and also seem to ignore that depression, anxiety, panic disorders, etc. happen for a reason. The reason why modern humanity have increased risk of these symptoms is because they know, given their perhaps wrongly learned models of the world or otherwise, that even when they achieve their so-called life…
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Re: Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders
#144But what are you sacrificing in return for your “perseverance”? Very few people tend to look at the mind as a system, and also seem to ignore that depression, anxiety, panic disorders, etc. happen for a reason. The reason why modern humanity have increased risk of these symptoms is because they know, given their perhaps wrongly learned models of the world or otherwise, that even when they achieve their so-called life…
I disagree, perseverance is not the same as goal-seeking for goal seeking's sake, or at least, it doesn't have to be. Twenty years ago I set a thirty year goal, literally bet my life on it. It wasn't until two years ago that I was reasonably sure it had a chance of success. I had to, and continue to basically give up everything, no one funds very long term research, so I had to learn to live on less than $200 a month…
you can live on more than $200 a month. give back and receive bro, it's really easy. come to my nidhogg tournament and i'll give you the game.
Re: Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders
#145This is like the grit discourse, just blaming people for not trying hard enough.
People that have overcome difficulty can end up lacking empathy for those who haven’t.
“I got here, you didn’t. Therefore, you must not have tried hard enough.”
Hear it every day.
Re: Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, absolutely. > participants were asked to rate their goal persistence (e.g., “When I encounter problems, I don’t give up until I solve them”), self-mastery (e.g., “I can do just anything I really set my mind to”) and positive reappraisal (e.g., “I can find something positive, even in the worst situations”). Diagnoses for major depressive, anxiety and panic disorders were also collected at each interval. > People…
I think causal links are hard to come by in any science, but here the important tidbit is that particular emotions (perseverance towards ones goals) were correlated with less incidence or severity of disorders, compared to others (a feeling of control of ones environment/future). The value here is that showing the existence of an emotion earlier in ones life is correlated to lessening of symptoms later is that it hel…
Or it could be that mental disorders compromise the ability to have perseverance. Given what we know about mental illness, this is the more likely.
Re: Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders
#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
I disagree, perseverance is not the same as goal-seeking for goal seeking's sake, or at least, it doesn't have to be. Twenty years ago I set a thirty year goal, literally bet my life on it. It wasn't until two years ago that I was reasonably sure it had a chance of success. I had to, and continue to basically give up everything, no one funds very long term research, so I had to learn to live on less than $200 a month…
> I have seen and done things that most people couldn't imagine, that has been, many times, too weird to be believable even as fiction. What? I'm really curious now. What is the project? What was the goal? Don't leave us hanging!
Curious too. 30 years project with one printed volume a years looks like an encyclopedia.
@deerpig you could set up a Patreon or some sort of crowd funding. If a few people interested in your project give you few bucks here and there, it could have a big impact on your income.
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#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
> seem to ignore that depression, anxiety, panic disorders, etc. happen for a reason ...no? In almost all cases, these syndromes are not appropriate responses to the environmental stimulus. OCD is not adaptive in any situation. Neither is Tourette's. Neither is anorexia nervosa. Neither is akinetic mutism. Neither is tardive dyskinesia. (Hypomania and ADHD-PI might be adaptive in exceptional environments — there's so…
Yikes. You make some pretty strong claims that are not credible on their face. 1. "Not adaptive in any situation..." Putting aside the many problems with evolutionary psychological explanations (just-so theory, underdetermination, so-called disjunction and grain problems), there's actually an very strong argument to OCD's adaptive role, both at the individual (threat response) and group. I think the group argument is…
Like all evolutionary psychology you can argue forever about the 'adaptive value' of any behaviour and characteristic and never know whether what you're saying is true or just completely and utterly wrong. It has a reputation for a reason. I could make a list full of hundreds of reasons why depression might be adaptive - that it's so darn easy should serve as a warning why it's often a bad idea to theorise like this.
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#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It seems Frankl has been somewhat exposed/debunked. Would you believe he was at Auschwitz for only a few days, performed medical experiments on Jews himself The Wikipedia link doesn't mention anything of the sort. And the other discussion just points to the same link / "proof". On the contrary, it does mention that he helped save thousands of mental patients from the Nazis, and that he was held not just in Auschwit…
I really loved Frankl's book as a teenager. I only learnt about his dark side, that the book was full of lies, recently. I didn't just read the wikipedia page, followed up the references, reading into several books that go into detail about it. The more you learn, the more disturbing and weird it gets. Yes in fact they do sound like disturbing Mengele-like experiments on people. His massive-bestseller book makes it s…
Removed in April by, from their bio, "co-founder of the Viktor Frankl Institute of America. I was born in Vienna, Austria in 1974 and am the grandson of Viktor Frankl."
Re: Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders
#150There's a ship. It has no captain, no crew. Where is it going? There's another ship. It has a captain and crew but no destination is set. Where is it going? There's another ship. It has captain, crew, destination but no course is set. Where is it going? There's another ship. It has captain, crew, destination and a course set. Everyone is ready to go and intends to go. Where is it going? Only one of these ships will s…
The metaphor is a little tortured but finding a crew and charting a course are also towards the goal so at least in this metaphor it doesn't really matter what the current state is. There are clear goals to move towards. Said another way, choosing a goal is also a goal to work towards.
Agreed. Getting in/out of the harbor is the pilot's job. That's their part. I think the metaphor works well. The limit is when you dig deeper into the impact of depression/anxiety. Then it starts to break down. But even then - still useful.
I think having a destination does help with depression. It certainly helps with knowing when you're off track or are having issues.