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Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders

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Re: Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders

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There's a ship. It has no captain, no crew. Where is it going? There's another ship. It has a captain and crew but no destination is set. Where is it going? There's another ship. It has captain, crew, destination but no course is set. Where is it going? There's another ship. It has captain, crew, destination and a course set. Everyone is ready to go and intends to go. Where is it going? Only one of these ships will s…

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Re: Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders

#92

There's a ship. It has no captain, no crew. Where is it going? There's another ship. It has a captain and crew but no destination is set. Where is it going? There's another ship. It has captain, crew, destination but no course is set. Where is it going? There's another ship. It has captain, crew, destination and a course set. Everyone is ready to go and intends to go. Where is it going? Only one of these ships will s…

"If one does not know to which port they are sailing, no wind is favorable" -Seneca

Re: Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders

#93

There's a ship. It has no captain, no crew. Where is it going? There's another ship. It has a captain and crew but no destination is set. Where is it going? There's another ship. It has captain, crew, destination but no course is set. Where is it going? There's another ship. It has captain, crew, destination and a course set. Everyone is ready to go and intends to go. Where is it going? Only one of these ships will s…

The metaphor is a little tortured but finding a crew and charting a course are also towards the goal so at least in this metaphor it doesn't really matter what the current state is. There are clear goals to move towards. Said another way, choosing a goal is also a goal to work towards.

Re: Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders

#94

There's a ship. It has no captain, no crew. Where is it going? There's another ship. It has a captain and crew but no destination is set. Where is it going? There's another ship. It has captain, crew, destination but no course is set. Where is it going? There's another ship. It has captain, crew, destination and a course set. Everyone is ready to go and intends to go. Where is it going? Only one of these ships will s…

The crew thought it would be a smooth ride. But then came a storm and they all gave up hope.

It is known that if you think the way to your goal is a smooth ride you can end up in a very big depression when things don't go as planned.

Re: Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> seem to ignore that depression, anxiety, panic disorders, etc. happen for a reason ...no? In almost all cases, these syndromes are not appropriate responses to the environmental stimulus. OCD is not adaptive in any situation. Neither is Tourette's. Neither is anorexia nervosa. Neither is akinetic mutism. Neither is tardive dyskinesia. (Hypomania and ADHD-PI might be adaptive in exceptional environments — there's so…

> OCD is not adaptive in any situation. > And, to be even more clear, these are unfit mutations, that lower their subjects' reproductive success. I don't believe this first claim is true and from my understanding the second isn't supported by current evolutionary thought. Could you explain more about why you believe these syndromes are never appropriate responses? I can offer my own anecdotes that OCD gives me a comp…

OCD isn't double-checking your line-spacing in a document, it's being unable to leave the house in under 45 minutes because you check the stove twenty times, then the door lock twenty, then turn around 5 minutes down the street to check again, then make a deal with yourself that you'll check the stove 3 times in a row and then not allow yourself to do it again, only you do it again anyways and finally take a picture of it so you can discretely check the photo on your phone when you're out on your date that you showed up half an hour late to.

Re: Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders

#97

There's a ship. It has no captain, no crew. Where is it going? There's another ship. It has a captain and crew but no destination is set. Where is it going? There's another ship. It has captain, crew, destination but no course is set. Where is it going? There's another ship. It has captain, crew, destination and a course set. Everyone is ready to go and intends to go. Where is it going? Only one of these ships will s…

Nice analogy. Goals are important. But don't forget to enjoy the journey.

Re: Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders

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post #92

There's a ship. It has no captain, no crew. Where is it going? There's another ship. It has a captain and crew but no destination is set. Where is it going? There's another ship. It has captain, crew, destination but no course is set. Where is it going? There's another ship. It has captain, crew, destination and a course set. Everyone is ready to go and intends to go. Where is it going? Only one of these ships will s…

"If one does not know to which port they are sailing, no wind is favorable" -Seneca

I mean one can paraphrase Lewis Carroll as a response to that - If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there.

Re: Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders

#100
A major cause of depression is the feeling of loss of control of ones life, and lack of security. For example, you are bullied/harassed at work, or someone takes credit for your work, but this is compounded by not being able to report it (because of conflict of interest in HR, or because it would not help) and not being able to quit, because of financial difficulties, or because the company will give you bad recommendations then. Or your family members put you under pressure to follow a certain life path, and you cannot escape.

Then the observed correlation would be the reverse causation of the article.

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