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The anti-privacy EARN IT Act could change the internet as we know it

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Re: The anti-privacy EARN IT Act could change the internet as we know it

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Post by frankharv »

ericd wrote: post #6
lowmemcpu wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Glad you posted this but... This is one of those multi-day, multi-faceted topics that need us to have many conversations until it's stopped. Recall the SOPA & PIPA protests of last decade: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_SOPA_and_PIPA There were more than a few discussions here

Requiring everyone to discuss this every few years seems like a surefire strategy to exhaust people. It normalizes the idea, if nothing else. So the question is how do we get it so that supporting ending effective encryption is a political third rail that ends political careers? Because that seems like the only way to get this to stop coming up until it eventually passes. Feinstein seems to be a perpetual supporter o…

Al Franken got cancelled so that must be an old list. After the whole FISA/Steel Report/FBI affair we are now supposed to trust the government with our secrets?

Re: The anti-privacy EARN IT Act could change the internet as we know it

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Post by LatteLazy »

Here in the UK similar laws were referred to as a Snoopers Charter. This was good PR against them as it was catchy and unattractive. Don't call these acts by their "name" (which is just someone's bullshit acronym to make it sound harmless). Call it "the tax on freedom" or "government in your bedroom" law. That's how you get the 99% to decide they don't like it.

Re: The anti-privacy EARN IT Act could change the internet as we know it

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Post by ericd »

pmoriarty wrote: post #9
ericd wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Requiring everyone to discuss this every few years seems like a surefire strategy to exhaust people. It normalizes the idea, if nothing else. So the question is how do we get it so that supporting ending effective encryption is a political third rail that ends political careers? Because that seems like the only way to get this to stop coming up until it eventually passes. Feinstein seems to be a perpetual supporter o…

"Requiring everyone to discuss this every few years seems like a surefire strategy to exhaust people" The older generation may get exhausted, but fortunately there's Eternal September at play, where newer generations constantly arrive, start to become politically aware, and have fresh energy. In order to continue to effect change we need to continually educate and re-educate people on what's going on and why. "Feinst…

It’s a pretty bipartisan list, I’m more surprised because CA has a large tech industry which could be hurt by loss of trust in US tech at home and abroad.

Re: The anti-privacy EARN IT Act could change the internet as we know it

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Post by ericd »

frankharv wrote: post #31
ericd wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Requiring everyone to discuss this every few years seems like a surefire strategy to exhaust people. It normalizes the idea, if nothing else. So the question is how do we get it so that supporting ending effective encryption is a political third rail that ends political careers? Because that seems like the only way to get this to stop coming up until it eventually passes. Feinstein seems to be a perpetual supporter o…

Al Franken got cancelled so that must be an old list. After the whole FISA/Steel Report/FBI affair we are now supposed to trust the government with our secrets?

It is an old list, PIPA is one of the earlier attempts at this.

Re: The anti-privacy EARN IT Act could change the internet as we know it

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Post by JoeSmithson »

LatteLazy wrote: post #33

Here in the UK similar laws were referred to as a Snoopers Charter. This was good PR against them as it was catchy and unattractive. Don't call these acts by their "name" (which is just someone's bullshit acronym to make it sound harmless). Call it "the tax on freedom" or "government in your bedroom" law. That's how you get the 99% to decide they don't like it.

What similarities do you see between EARN IT and IPA?

Re: The anti-privacy EARN IT Act could change the internet as we know it

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

jjoonathan wrote: post #21
trianglem wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is nothing in this bill worth having. What exactly are you supporting here?

The amendment looks legitimately good, unless they're hustling it to an inappropriately small scope or intend to drop it at the lest second. Both are time honored legislative traditions, of course. “(7) CYBERSECURITY PROTECTIONS DO NOT GIVE RISE TO LIABILITY.—Notwithstanding “(paragraph (6), a provider of an interactive computer service shall not be “(deemed to be in violation of section 2252 or 2252A of title 18, Un…

The amendment, even assuming it ends up in the final bill, only limits one specific type of damage that doing this could cause. The bill as a whole is still malicious garbage with no redeeming value.

It's like having a bill giving the FBI regulatory authority over the public school curriculum and then people say that's a terrible idea because they could e.g. prohibit sex education. So then they modify the bill to carve that out in particular. But that was just one specific example. The overall premise of the bill is still inherently damage even if you take out one specific bad thing people were using as an example.

Re: The anti-privacy EARN IT Act could change the internet as we know it

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Post by salawat »

pmoriarty wrote: post #9
ericd wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Requiring everyone to discuss this every few years seems like a surefire strategy to exhaust people. It normalizes the idea, if nothing else. So the question is how do we get it so that supporting ending effective encryption is a political third rail that ends political careers? Because that seems like the only way to get this to stop coming up until it eventually passes. Feinstein seems to be a perpetual supporter o…

"Requiring everyone to discuss this every few years seems like a surefire strategy to exhaust people" The older generation may get exhausted, but fortunately there's Eternal September at play, where newer generations constantly arrive, start to become politically aware, and have fresh energy. In order to continue to effect change we need to continually educate and re-educate people on what's going on and why. "Feinst…

This is the first time I've heard anyone mention Eternal September in a positive sense.

Congratulations on finding the silver lining!

Re: The anti-privacy EARN IT Act could change the internet as we know it

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Post by JoeSmithson »

thephyber wrote: post #24
jjcon wrote: post #7

Just please go read the latest versions of the bill people https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/339... A ton of companies stand to lose by this bill so it may be wise to adopt some skepticism towards all the doom and gloom. This bill is ever evolving and they have been closing the gaps people were worried about re encryption(and now there are complaints about new issues). Are there holes that coul…

If the bill still claims to be about "child online exploitation", that's plenty reason to be skeptical. "Think of the children" is a powerful weapon because it's easy for the sponsors to politically assassinate anyone who votes against it. Source: I worked for a company that used that argument when lobbying. I know enough about myself to know I'm not qualified to represent myself in court and I'm not qualified to rea…

By this logic, no legislation can ever seek to reduce online child sexual exploitation

Re: The anti-privacy EARN IT Act could change the internet as we know it

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Post by grawprog »

ericd wrote: post #6
lowmemcpu wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Glad you posted this but... This is one of those multi-day, multi-faceted topics that need us to have many conversations until it's stopped. Recall the SOPA & PIPA protests of last decade: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_SOPA_and_PIPA There were more than a few discussions here

Requiring everyone to discuss this every few years seems like a surefire strategy to exhaust people. It normalizes the idea, if nothing else. So the question is how do we get it so that supporting ending effective encryption is a political third rail that ends political careers? Because that seems like the only way to get this to stop coming up until it eventually passes. Feinstein seems to be a perpetual supporter o…

The thing is, how many of those politicians receive throwbacks from industry to support this vs actually care about and believe in these laws?

Addressing rampant corporate government bribery(lobbying) would go a long way to preventing these kind of laws from passing.

On a more immediately achievable and realistic level, I think the idea really needs to drilled down into the general public that encryption is your computer and phone's equivalent of a 'front door lock'. I know this is simplistic and not necessarily 100% accurate, but it might as well be as important as one these days for any personal information and these kinds of simplistic, easily understandable metaphors tend to work a lot better than drilling over the details as to why encryption matters.

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