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Re: Twitter bans 7k QAnon accounts, limits 150k others as part of broad crackdown

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So, to give a concrete example: one way Q could ratchet back on the aggressive hate in the nonsense is to just stop posting. Stop posting anything. That would ratchet it down.

If it is just nonsense hate, what's the big deal?

I'm using "nonsense" in place of the word I choose not to, to keep the conversation polite. It doesn't indicate a lack of danger.

Don't mistake the lack of force behind the word for its denotation. Belief in Protocols-of-Zion-originated global conspiracy theory is also nonsense.

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It's hard to understand why they're acting like they woke up yesterday when "Free Speech on the Internet" has been a hotly-debated issue that's existed for as long as the Internet. Why wasn't there mass anger in the AOL days, at least among the web-surfing public? Facebook has existed for over a decade and a half. Why did it take until now for this issue to peak?

You really can't figure it out? It's because today, and not a decade ago, the internet is the primary place for discourse. If you're banned from FB or Twitter, you're effectively banned from having a conversation. 10 years ago this wasn't the case -- only a minority of the population was using the internet as the primary place of discourse, and even then there was far greater stratification over various discussion bo…

> If you're banned from FB or Twitter, you're effectively banned from having a conversation.

You can still have conversations with ease by email, IM, phone, and on your own forums on a server you control (or non-electronically such as in person or by paper mail).

What an FB or Twitter ban effectively takes away is broadcasting your material to a vast audience for free.

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They didn't make that mistake. They tried to shut down 8kun, repeatedly. So many times that 8kun was able to harden their services with the assistance of the DOD. I always wondered why the military was helping 8kun. [1] 1. https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1194054383488516096

The fact that I haven't heard of 8kun until right now is indicative of the utility of shutting these things down. If people have to go to a backwater site only known about by word-of-mouth, that's fine. Much better than broadcasting conspiracies through Twitter and FB. "There is a secret truth to the universe known only to this secret cabal in the back of this drinking parlor" is an old trope. Far more expected than…

You not having heard of 8kun really hasn't done a damn thing to slow down QAnon, actually. You're not in their target audience and they don't need you on board to achieve their purposes.

The best way to combat conspiracy theories like QAnon would be for our elites and institutions to stop constantly preying upon the people and lying to them about it via a neutered press, and actually hold some members of their own class accountable for once. The massively corrupt corporate giveaway that was the Covid stimulus is a great recent example. The Epstein case being slow walked by the FBI for 25 years and then trying to sweep it all under the rug with "oops he killed himself while the guards were asleep and the cameras malfunctioned!" is another. As long as this kind of stuff continues, people will attempt (often haphazardly and incorrectly) to understand how and why it isn't being stopped, and who's in charge of it. They will be easy targets for grifters and bunkum artists who rush in to fill the gaps left by complete radio silence on the part of mainstream media sources.

You know, I don't agree with QAnon and think it has many properties of a dangerous cult, but they do at least have one advantage over run-of-the-mill liberals in correctly identifying the ruling elite as the chief cause of the world's problems, instead of constantly focusing blame on "deplorable" Trump supporters with zero actual power or influence.

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Sure wish he'd use some of that epic strength to actually deliver on some of those high-profile elite pedophile arrests he keeps promising. Trump's first term is almost up and instead of being in prison, Hillary Clinton is chumming around on Zoom calls with Lin-Manuel Miranda. Where's the damn beef?

You are aware of the conviction rate federal prosecutors have? They don't do anything until they have all the evidence they need for a conviction. And, if there's a group of people involved, they just seal the indictments until they have the evidence to convict all of them. There's a huge number of them involved. You can view the number of sealed federal indictments by state on the qmap.pub site. Be patient, the arre…

Can't wait to read Q posts in Feb 2021 about how "Biden winning the election was a necessary headfake, Trump is still secretly the POTUS actually, stay tuned, the indictments will be unsealed any day now."

Re: Twitter bans 7k QAnon accounts, limits 150k others as part of broad crackdown

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The fact that I haven't heard of 8kun until right now is indicative of the utility of shutting these things down. If people have to go to a backwater site only known about by word-of-mouth, that's fine. Much better than broadcasting conspiracies through Twitter and FB. "There is a secret truth to the universe known only to this secret cabal in the back of this drinking parlor" is an old trope. Far more expected than…

You not having heard of 8kun really hasn't done a damn thing to slow down QAnon, actually. You're not in their target audience and they don't need you on board to achieve their purposes. The best way to combat conspiracy theories like QAnon would be for our elites and institutions to stop constantly preying upon the people and lying to them about it via a neutered press, and actually hold some members of their own cl…

I'm not sure how one concludes that the body politic that elected Donald Trump as President of the United States has zero actual power or influence.

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Preserving inalienable rights or ignoring them?

"Inalienable rights" is too broad a concept to have an either/or answer to that question. Choose some specific rights and choose to preserve them if they're inalienable. I'll start: I see nothing in the inalienable right to life incompatible with structuring a society that can maximize quality of life for its citizens who, on average, aren’t capable enough to judge information for themselves.

Where your argument fails is assuming that the average citizen isn't a capable judge of information.

Edit: Furthermore, your argument also denies the average citizen their right to life by denying their capacity to decide their own quality of life.

You assign the average citizen a capacity of a child.

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"Inalienable rights" is too broad a concept to have an either/or answer to that question. Choose some specific rights and choose to preserve them if they're inalienable. I'll start: I see nothing in the inalienable right to life incompatible with structuring a society that can maximize quality of life for its citizens who, on average, aren’t capable enough to judge information for themselves.

Where your argument fails is assuming that the average citizen isn't a capable judge of information. Edit: Furthermore, your argument also denies the average citizen their right to life by denying their capacity to decide their own quality of life. You assign the average citizen a capacity of a child.

It's not an argument; it's a thought experiment. From three posts up:

"""If that proposition ("The average person isn’t capable enough to judge information for themselves") were true..."""

I'm interested in exploring the logical consequences of assuming that point, not arguing the truth of the point.

I've generally heard quality-of-life listed under the inalienable right to pursuit of happiness, not the inalienable right to life, i.e. "What's the point of living if you can't ever be happy". But, yes, let's preserve that one as inalienable too. How do we structure a society to preserve those rights if we assume "The average person isn’t capable enough to judge information for themselves?" What does that do to their ability to both enunciate what makes them happy and make the correct decisions to pursue that which makes them happy successfully?

Re: Twitter bans 7k QAnon accounts, limits 150k others as part of broad crackdown

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You not having heard of 8kun really hasn't done a damn thing to slow down QAnon, actually. You're not in their target audience and they don't need you on board to achieve their purposes. The best way to combat conspiracy theories like QAnon would be for our elites and institutions to stop constantly preying upon the people and lying to them about it via a neutered press, and actually hold some members of their own cl…

I'm not sure how one concludes that the body politic that elected Donald Trump as President of the United States has zero actual power or influence.

By recognizing that electoral success doesn't actually translate into direct implementation of the voters' preferred agenda, as both the Trump and Obama administrations starkly demonstrate.

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I'm not sure how one concludes that the body politic that elected Donald Trump as President of the United States has zero actual power or influence.

By recognizing that electoral success doesn't actually translate into direct implementation of the voters' preferred agenda, as both the Trump and Obama administrations starkly demonstrate.

Ah, okay. And thank God it doesn't, as both the Trump and Obama administrations starkly demonstrate.

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Is Ed Norton a goatfucker for American History X? Are we both goatfuckers for having “white power” in our comments? I think the context and intent of a statement is really necessary for answering the question. I don’t think the guy in the video was yelling white power to mean he supports white power. But perhaps you think differently.

Yes but you're trying to make the trivial context and intent complicated and it isn't. Ed Norton plays a goatfucker. We are talking about goatfuckery. Dude yelling 'white power' in public? Actual goatfucking. But no, you say, he was commenting on the absurdity of the goatfucker accusation by fucking some goats. This is precisely the sort of thing the Rule of Goats is about.

I don’t think that’s what the rule of goats is about, but I appreciate your continued commenting.

If your interpretation of the rule of goats is right, then it’s not very useful as it turns lots of people into goatfuckers. And when everyone is a goatfucker, fucking goats isn’t that bad any more.

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