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Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality [video]

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Re: Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality [video]

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The day a machine is gonna try to have a conversation with me I'm gonna smash it the concrete way! keep dreaming about the perfect creature/slave/SEXBOT :D

ELIZA: That is interesting. Please continue.

ELIZA??? all been already said... humanity isn't complex just ashamed by its own moves :D

and yea we are speaking about consciousnesss OH MY HEAD...

That's too much for me, can't comment much... but keep doing I'm watching... and guess what it's fun! :D

Re: Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality [video]

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The game of evolution isn't to pass on your genes one generation, its to have your genes persist indefinitely. If his son chooses not to have kids then it counts as an evolutionary "failure" of the parent. It's why we choose attractive partners who will help us have evolutionarily fit children.

> The game of evolution isn't to pass on your genes one generation, its to have your genes persist indefinitely. I think that's a maladaptive way to think about this. Attaching value and emotion to the long term fate of your particular genes is odd, given that they are almost completely identical to everyone else's. Whats the point in feeling sadness about this? And evolution isn't a game. It doesn't have a point, or…

>they're almost identical to everyone else's

Do you really believe this argument? It seems like a strange one to make. Our genes are almost entirely identical, so why worry about diversity, then?

Besides, people like you will, all else being equal, surely get outbred by people who do care about their progeny. So why worry? The tendency to hold your point of view will wipe itself out...

Re: Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality [video]

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I really love his emphasis on modelling as a skill. Its obviously great applied to technical skills like computer science, but he seems to apply it to everything else in the human experience so well. "everything that we sense is part of the same object ... we learn it all into one model ... we call this model the universe" https://youtu.be/P-2P3MSZrBM?t=1796

Everything is a model. The only thing that exists to the mind And actually in the world is models.

As above, so below

Re: Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality [video]

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What is perplexing about it? Genuine curiosity - where I live those views would probably be considered mundane mainstream.

I replied on this in another subthread, a minute ago or so. But as for the 'mainstream', Joscha exactly doesn't want to be mainstream - see his TT stream: :) "In a playground where most people can neither come up with ideas of their own.." and various other tweets and presos related to the harm of conforming to societal norms of thinking.

If your views happen to align with the mainstream, that still isn't a reason to change them in and of itself. Being ruled and controlled by the mainstream is bad, because the mainstream makes mistakes; but that doesn't mean that the right path is just to try and be as much the opposite of the mainstream as possible.

Re: Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality [video]

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AI 'ethics' is how you get China dominating AI research eventually. All these OpenAI spooks are either doing it intentionally or accidentally and at stake like this, what does it matter when the end result is a convincing loss.

I think you misunderstand what AI ethics is. Do you want facial recognition cameras on every street? That's what no ethics oversight gets you.

Ethics oversight won't stop there, though. The managerial class will seek to keep expanding it more and more, with increasingly arcane and insulting restrictions.

And is the research level the right place to stop that? I don't think so. That's a policy question.

Re: Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality [video]

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I'm such a fan after the 33C3 Machine Dreams talk. The podcast host, either he has a way of speaking that seems affectedly slow, or maybe he has a speech impediment or neurological issue? Ordinarily I would just set the speed of the video up, but Bach's normal speed of speech becomes too fast. A few minutes in, the host seems to adapt to his guests speed a bit, but is there some kind of trend among millennials to do…

For recording it's much better to speak slowly. You can always speed up slow speech, but doing the opposite (slowing down fast speech) does not bring you a good result yet.

Re: Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality [video]

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I was quite intrigued by semi-proposal of building a meta social network (it starts around 1:37:45). He proposes a service where anyone can start a social network using any features of existing ones (Facebook feed, Twitter conversation, Reddit threads...), with each network cultivating its own rules and reward function (criteria for what content is reshared or upvoted). On one hand it's over-ambitious and doomed to f…

I tried to do that 10 years ago. Didn't gain traction. Too complex an idea for most to want http://babblingbrook.net/

Re: Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality [video]

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> The game of evolution isn't to pass on your genes one generation, its to have your genes persist indefinitely. I think that's a maladaptive way to think about this. Attaching value and emotion to the long term fate of your particular genes is odd, given that they are almost completely identical to everyone else's. Whats the point in feeling sadness about this? And evolution isn't a game. It doesn't have a point, or…

>they're almost identical to everyone else's Do you really believe this argument? It seems like a strange one to make. Our genes are almost entirely identical, so why worry about diversity, then? Besides, people like you will, all else being equal, surely get outbred by people who do care about their progeny. So why worry? The tendency to hold your point of view will wipe itself out...

> people like you will, all else being equal, surely get outbred by people who do care about their progeny. So why worry? The tendency to hold your point of view will wipe itself out...

That could be true (though, atheism is on the rise, despite religious people having more children than non-believers on avg). But it's also orthogonal to the question at hand. Existence or non-existence of proponents of a given POV at a given point it time doesn't say much about the validity of the POV itself.

Re: Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality [video]

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I'm such a fan after the 33C3 Machine Dreams talk. The podcast host, either he has a way of speaking that seems affectedly slow, or maybe he has a speech impediment or neurological issue? Ordinarily I would just set the speed of the video up, but Bach's normal speed of speech becomes too fast. A few minutes in, the host seems to adapt to his guests speed a bit, but is there some kind of trend among millennials to do…

Bach is rapidly firing out intriguing statements.

Lex is just trying to come up with worthy follow-up questions that also sometimes align with his plan for the podcast. And his default is to speak carefully because he knows that the topics are complex and algorithms are transcribing them etc. So he is starting at a fairly slow normal just for clarity and the high level of Bach's comments requires him to think more.

I would bet that you would not be able to do better. Actually I bet that you would pause just as long and then often reply with something barely relevant to what was just said, such as "wow that was deep".

Seriously, you think that Bach hasn't spent years preparing that elegant information and philosophy? And Lex was trying to adapt on the fly. But you casually suggest that you could have a rapid-fire intelligent back-and-forth with Joshua Bach as he lays that stuff on you.

I would like to see it. Go ahead, record a conversation with Bach on a topic that is slightly different from the existing podcasts/talks.

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