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Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality [video]

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Re: Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality [video]

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Why do you find him expressing sadness about him not being able to pass on his genetics, perplexing? Its a primal evolutionary imperative. While possible the rate of child having is very low in same sex relationships in comparrison to the hetro relationships is higher.

something being a primal evolutionary imperative doesn't make it any more meaningful. In fact it's kind of a stupid thing to care about because reproduction in that sense is truly mindless and circular. Raising a kid is a meaningful experience, but the kids haircolor doesn't matter much.

The fact that the kid will have another kid and bring you grandchildren is though.

Re: Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality [video]

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I'm such a fan after the 33C3 Machine Dreams talk.

The podcast host, either he has a way of speaking that seems affectedly slow, or maybe he has a speech impediment or neurological issue? Ordinarily I would just set the speed of the video up, but Bach's normal speed of speech becomes too fast. A few minutes in, the host seems to adapt to his guests speed a bit, but is there some kind of trend among millennials to do some weird slo-mo lazy talking pace? Bach seems to sense it as well and interrupts him when he starts to wind up his mental drone.

Re: Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you find him expressing sadness about him not being able to pass on his genetics, perplexing? Its a primal evolutionary imperative. While possible the rate of child having is very low in same sex relationships in comparrison to the hetro relationships is higher.

something being a primal evolutionary imperative doesn't make it any more meaningful. In fact it's kind of a stupid thing to care about because reproduction in that sense is truly mindless and circular. Raising a kid is a meaningful experience, but the kids haircolor doesn't matter much.

If I told you that you can never eat chocolate again for the rest of your life, and you expressed sadness for not being able to experience the pleasures of eating chocolate, would that be equally perplexing?

Just because our desire for chocolate is a primal evolutionary imperative, doesn't mean that it's wrong to develop an attachment to it. Why is it ok to express sadness over missing out on physical pleasures, but not psychological pleasures.

Re: Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality [video]

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I'm such a fan after the 33C3 Machine Dreams talk. The podcast host, either he has a way of speaking that seems affectedly slow, or maybe he has a speech impediment or neurological issue? Ordinarily I would just set the speed of the video up, but Bach's normal speed of speech becomes too fast. A few minutes in, the host seems to adapt to his guests speed a bit, but is there some kind of trend among millennials to do…

His first language is Russian, but grew up in the US.

From first hand experience as a person who grew up in a household with two completely different languages, this seems to come from having trouble of finding the right language to speak in for a little time until I can finally settle in on a language which makes most sense.

This or something absolutely different.

Re: Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality [video]

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

something being a primal evolutionary imperative doesn't make it any more meaningful. In fact it's kind of a stupid thing to care about because reproduction in that sense is truly mindless and circular. Raising a kid is a meaningful experience, but the kids haircolor doesn't matter much.

If I told you that you can never eat chocolate again for the rest of your life, and you expressed sadness for not being able to experience the pleasures of eating chocolate, would that be equally perplexing? Just because our desire for chocolate is a primal evolutionary imperative, doesn't mean that it's wrong to develop an attachment to it. Why is it ok to express sadness over missing out on physical pleasures, but…

because that's not the same thing. You can have the pleasure and meaningful experience of raising a child (which I remarked in my post), there is no actual pleasure or meaning to the idea of reproduction as such.

The actual comparison would be for me to express sadness about the fact that I cannot pass on my desire for chocolate to the next generation, which to be honest I couldn't care less about.

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

something being a primal evolutionary imperative doesn't make it any more meaningful. In fact it's kind of a stupid thing to care about because reproduction in that sense is truly mindless and circular. Raising a kid is a meaningful experience, but the kids haircolor doesn't matter much.

The fact that the kid will have another kid and bring you grandchildren is though.

You can be gay and raise kids these days. That is to say Joscha Bach can given that he hails from Germany and the US, in some very conservative countries I guess that's an issue, but anyway that's not his point.

Re: Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality [video]

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I'm such a fan after the 33C3 Machine Dreams talk. The podcast host, either he has a way of speaking that seems affectedly slow, or maybe he has a speech impediment or neurological issue? Ordinarily I would just set the speed of the video up, but Bach's normal speed of speech becomes too fast. A few minutes in, the host seems to adapt to his guests speed a bit, but is there some kind of trend among millennials to do…

His first language is Russian, but grew up in the US. From first hand experience as a person who grew up in a household with two completely different languages, this seems to come from having trouble of finding the right language to speak in for a little time until I can finally settle in on a language which makes most sense. This or something absolutely different.

It would be surprising if it were a language issue, given Bach speaks accented english much more rapidly than the host speaking mostly unaccented english. It seems received or an personality/attitude thing, or maybe it's a substance use issue. Anyway, Bach is interesting enough I'm putting up with it, but I rarely feel so irritated and resentful of a person, so if someone else is repelled by it, stick with the podcast as Bach makes it worth while.

Re: Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality [video]

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I was quite intrigued by semi-proposal of building a meta social network (it starts around 1:37:45). He proposes a service where anyone can start a social network using any features of existing ones (Facebook feed, Twitter conversation, Reddit threads...), with each network cultivating its own rules and reward function (criteria for what content is reshared or upvoted). On one hand it's over-ambitious and doomed to f…

It has been tried so many times -- evolving variations of social networks. The end result is facebook bought them all. It's what we call survival of the richest.

Re: Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality [video]

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I can't absorb complex ideas very well from speech. Any good links for written materials that offer good bite-sized introductions to his ideas?

I'd recommending digging through his website: http://bach.ai/ Depending on what interests you, maybe also look at the abstracts of his research papers? http://bach.ai/publications/

Thanks. His tweeter feed is quite interesting also (which gives you some indication of my attention span at the moment)
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