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Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by MereInterest » Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 6:12 PM UTC

s1artibartfast wrote: post #947

MereInterest wrote: post #814

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Certainly. [1] gives a good overview, on how Devos pushed for more and more charter schools, without any requirement for credentials. [2] is some focus on the history of charter schools in Michigan, Devos's home state. [3] is a local news story (tracked down from some articles that reference it), going into a lawsuit about the poor performance of schools in the Detroit area, following the siphoning of funds to charte…

I wanted to circle back and say thanks for providing the links. The wapo article was garbage (really, 3 sentences?) , but I found the michigan advance ariccle informative. I still don't agree with your conclusions, but now know there is a questionable track record in Detroit. I think the connection between Devos and charters and her influences is overstated, as they existed in numerous states long before she held any…

Thank you for the feedback. For the Washington Post article, it looks like they are silently paywalling the majority of the article. Opening it in incognito mode gave me the full article (several pages, not just a few sentences).

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by amanaplanacanal » Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 1:46 AM UTC

adolph wrote: post #840

shreyansj wrote: post #642

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Here's the other side - How many deaths are acceptable? If death is a certainty for all, should we just get rid of the health care systems? Should we stop research into some of the diseases? Which ones? How many person-days/productivity has been lost because of preventable deaths? We are talking about a 4/6/8 week lockdown, that's not long term, that's immediate term.

No, no, please don’t waste time constructing persons of straw. One insinuating that my position is “get rid of healthcare” is especially odious since the counterfactual I raised was one considering impacts of preventative care missed due to lockdowns. You made a rhetorical claim: “locked in for 6 weeks and if that had prevented 50000 deaths, how is that not worth it?” How do you know if it is worth it or not if you d…

So you make an exception for essential services, and count health care as an essential service. Tune the lock down so that it makes sense.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by _ea1k » Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 3:53 PM UTC

newfeatureok wrote: post #26

_ea1k wrote: post #6

I feel like there is too much emphasis on these and not enough on the ones that earnestly want to go back to work. There should be a balance here, as we really do need a lot of students to have access to schools in the fall. Remote learning doesn't work for everyone and leaves a lot of people behind. The overall consequences of another lost semester may be far worse than the consequences of reopening.

> Remote learning doesn't work for everyone and leaves a lot of people behind. The overall consequences of another lost semester may be far worse than the consequences of reopening. I'm curious - how few would have to die so that the "overall consequences of another lost semester" is not worse?

That is a really good question, and also one that most people are incapable of discussing rationally. The reasons are, of course, understandable.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by matz1 » Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 4:14 PM UTC

adamsea wrote: post #949

matz1 wrote: post #693

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Because its not worth it to make millions other people suffer due to lockdown.

I hope your grandmother doesn't live in your ideal society. Forgive the strong language but my point is it's precisely the most vulnerable / neglected / oppressed of our fellow citizens and members of our society who are / have been the most at risk to coronavirus. And that's an important consideration when we think about why a lockdown is important as well.

My grandmother will always have high risk of death given of her age, any small diseases could kill her, not just covid.

To lock her down, to not let her out the house, to deprive her with activity that she want to do will cause more damage to her physical health and mental health.