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Re: Online classes are not worth cost of full tuition

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Post by taylodl »

nickik wrote: post #58

Collage in general has never been about education. Collage is about getting a stamp on your head saying that you have been to collage. Meaning that you spend years learning a bunch of stuff and you didn't do stop shit to kicked out. I guess for engineering where there is significant equipment necessary this doesn't hold. But the majority of collage is pointless, all the knowledge you need is available outside of coll…

Engineering, Science, Medicine, Dentistry, Law, Education, Architecture - those are just a few things that are extremely impractical or even impossible to learn on your own.

Let me know how your surgery with your self-taught surgical teams works out for you and how your subsequent lawsuit with your self-taught lawyer goes.

Re: Online classes are not worth cost of full tuition

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Post by caenorst »

MOOC that have been around for years are more prepared for online classes and cheaper than any of those universities that will make you pay for maintenance of facilities that you cannot even use.

And don't you tell me that they cannot save on electricity and cancelled activities.

The price of tuition is not following any offer-and-demand, they are just using the fact that you are in the middle of your studies and you can't stop now, hope that will make people realise the kind of mafia those university are.

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Post by MR4D »

bilbo0s wrote: post #178
anonAndOn wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Backpacking doesn't have to mean exotic locales. There may be some bucket list activities that are closer to home, eg: Trans Canada Trail, Appalachian Trail, Pacific Crest Trail, Camino de Santiago, etc.

"Trans Canada Trail"? Can we get into Canada? EDIT: I mean that I thought Canada won't allow entry to people from the US? Is that just a rumor?

Up to date info on traveling to Canada from the US:

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/201...

Re: Online classes are not worth cost of full tuition

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Post by dathinab »

game_the0ry wrote: post #29

A couple of years ago, I was looking into MOOCs for tech education, Udacity's nano degree in particular. I remember stumbling across a video on Youtube where some Udacity folks were discussing the merits of online education with college professors and admins. What stood out to me was how vehemently the college folks were against online education. They were visibly livid - there was no way substituting a live class ro…

I have studied in Germany this included some online curses.

From my experience studying online will be harder for a non-small degree of students. (Through for some it's easier as they anyway don't show up for curses and do anything from home "ad-hock".)

I believ that for courses which are mainly frontal putting this part online will be majorly helpful (e.g. a reading in front of a large publicum with close to no questions from the publicum).

But especially during a CS master many curses are smaller and with a lot of student professor interactions. This translates not so well to online, even with video conferences. And that is assuming that students do have a easy to access internet connection which is good enough to do a ~20 people conference.

So while I hope for a lot of improvements by putting parts of the studium online I also hope it will be just part of it.

Lastly in-person studium creates a social environment (similar to in-person work) having online only studies/work would have _major_ health risks for a non small amount of people (such which e.g. are already somewhat depressive, have problems creating social connections, have a weak social net, lost most of their friends due to problems in their school years etc.). I have meat at least one person who would not unlikely already have committed suicide in a "online only" world...

Re: Online classes are not worth cost of full tuition

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Post by dathinab »

game_the0ry wrote: post #135
humanistbot wrote: post #78

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Except "embracing" is definitely not the right word. Very few professors I know are happy about this whole situation. Universities are begrudgingly accepting the fact that they can't have in-person classes, so they have to turn to online alternatives. Tuition can't be changed because the few costs that are being saved (facilities still need maintenance) are offset by the massive losses in revenue from student housing…

> Except "embracing" is definitely not the right word. Fair point. Still, students are not getting what they are paying for and colleges will not be able to adequately justify the same cost to students, whatever their fixed operating expenses may be, especially since students do not benefit from those expenses.

Yes, but tbh I'm not sure if the US study costs had been reasonable even when they where not online.

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Post by _wldu »

95_JL_OK wrote: post #87
rjkennedy98 wrote: post #45

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Higher education so far as I can tell now is indistinguishable from a cult. You have to pay homage to various absurd beliefs, contribute money to them, and worship the value of it no matter what the apparent merit of it is, and more than anything it has its heresies which appear to be self-directed development and independent thinking.

Interesting take that self-directed development is a 'heresy' of academia, even more so, it's considered hokey and invalid. I've noticed that's somewhat the case, there's an attitude that Formal Education is the only education. I didn't even go to a 'bad college' like another commenter suggested would have an attitude like this. I've had students try to tell me off (with great vitriol too) for not being a 'real devel…

Computer scientists are not developers. They are mathematicians. Some of them write software, but many do not.

Re: Online classes are not worth cost of full tuition

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Post by Domenic_S »

taylodl wrote: post #192
Domenic_S wrote: post #186

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> Making money off housing will disproportionately affect students of differing income backgrounds Having trouble parsing this. What do you mean? IMO the problem is that many colleges are not focused on education to begin with. They compete with each other by building the most luxurious facilities, sports programs, and so forth. Then they pay execs crazy salaries while leaving the actual instructors in the dust: "Aud…

This is pretty much the same situation in every Fortune 500 company, is it not?

An intern at a Fortune 500 makes 3-4x what the lowest paid college instructor makes, and doesn't pull the "poor us, we're underfunded" card all the time.

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Post by acituan »

fiftyfifty wrote: post #190
ghaff wrote: post #171

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>The problem with gap years is you loose an additional year of income at the college graduate level on the backend, that's a pretty big missed financial opportunity. I don't really disagree with your other points (though I might make a different decision). But I'm not sure I buy the argument that you should enter the workforce as young as you can profitably do so (considering net present value relative to educational…

The average 18 year old just starting college doesn't have a job or has a low paying hourly job, has no savings and is still very much dependent on their parents for at least some financial support. For many parents delaying the time their children enter the work force can represent a significant financial burden. I am all for saving up and taking time off between jobs, sabbaticals, extended vacations and traveling t…

> doing it on mommy and daddy's dime is a fairly selfish pursuit.

This is a value judgment specific to the US (and maybe bunch of other countries in the anglosphere). Places in the Mediterranean like Italy and Greece are notably different in children staying at parents' home till their 30s, or places in the Nordic students both don't pay for college and get small monthly stipends from the government for rent (usually in subsidized student housing) and groceries.

Raising humans is hard work and someone got to be footing the bill. Kids don't magically turn into adults at the age of 18, so their parents who made the decision to make them in the first place has responsibility until their kids reach adulthood, or this responsibility can be collectivized by the whole society because failures of parents will also be suffered by the whole society. Putting the burden of outrageous debt on the kid sounds like the most selfish thing to do by the parents and the society. And a debt only for formal education, which alone is not enough to make kids into adults.

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Post by kmonsen »

stainforth wrote: post #96
kmonsen wrote: post #71

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I mean I lived in both ca and ny and the tax rate is pretty close to European ones. When I lived in Switzerland just the federal rate was higher than my Swiss tax rate. The big difference in total compensation after tax between Western Europe and USA is in the compensation part for people that are considered highly skilled. For example for me I get at least 2x here in CA compared to what I would get in Norway and Swi…

Should that quality be maintained for the top 10%?

This was meant more descriptive than add a political view. In my opinion I would change the taxation rates for the .1% first, Will at the same time importing life quality for the bottom let’s say 60%. A lot of this is not in taxes but due to how society is organized.

This would indirectly change life for top 10% as you cannot as cheap hire people for services.

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