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Trump administration establishes $75M quantum computing centers

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Re: Trump administration establishes $75M quantum computing centers

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Hmm, I thought quantum computing is not happening. See https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2019/01/15/quantum-comput... Can somebody dispute this claim?

It's tempting to dismiss that write-up due to its incendiary style, but I find that many of its "factory floor" level insights ring true to me.

As an experimentalist, I would agree with the sentiment that the potential future applications of Quantum computing probably receive too much media attention, given the maturity level of existing technology.

The technical arguments as to why building a useful QC will be impossible are a bit more shaky.

First, the post seems to imply that the calibration effort scales with the number of gates in the algorithm. This is false. In reality, the number of interactions that need individual calibration is basically the number of qubit-qubit pairs exposed by the gate library. The most mainstream approach to error-corrected QC only uses nearest-neighbor interactions, and hence the scaling is linear.

Second, it is not clear to me why the number of computational basis states (2^N) is relevant to the engineering at all. Following this line of thinking, the recent Quantum supremacy result by Google already amounted to a mastery of 2^53 ~ 10^16 degrees of freedom.

Third, an argument is made that large-scale error correction will not work because of correlated errors, of unspecified nature. I think a claim like this should come with a mention of at least one concrete source of such errors, so that we could estimate its magnitude and potential severity. Note that such calculations are almost the essence of day-to-day work of a physicist.

In the absence of more detail, I can make a generic counterargument: Any phenomenon causing such correlated errors by definition affects multiple physical qubits at once, and will tend to be more macroscopic in nature. This is in contrast with the processes that limit the fidelity of one- and two-qubit operations, which is what the error-correcting code will take care of. Macroscopic disturbances are exactly the ones that we can attempt to shield against with clever engineering.

Re: Trump administration establishes $75M quantum computing centers

#122
post #70

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Sure, but you don't need to trust the media to hear a lot of these things come out of his own mouth.

i never hear any of his speeches live, i only catch the clips that the news shows you. So how accurate is their reporting? Are they pushing an agenda, taking comments speeches out of context? Both sides do it to their advantage.

So... you don't pay any attention to Trump, but assume he's good on the basis that the media says he's bad? What's your reason for thinking they're incorrect?

Re: Trump administration establishes $75M quantum computing centers

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post #15

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Advisors make these recommendations. Say the right words about the US falling behind China or national security risk and no one wants to be the person on record who said no to this.

>Say the right words about the US falling behind China or national security risk and no one wants to be the person on record who said no to this. Or just say Obama wouldn't have the guts to do it[0]. [0] https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/trump-launched-yem...

Those only helps get one side on board.

Re: Trump administration establishes $75M quantum computing centers

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post #26

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$75M is rounding error compared to anything being discussed in the vicinity of the pandemic; I wouldn't really expect it to enter into the conversation.

Every line item in the budget is a rounding error until you add them all up.

The package they passed in March was $2 trillion. That's _five orders of magnitude_ difference.

Re: Trump administration establishes $75M quantum computing centers

#125
post #68

Hmm, I thought quantum computing is not happening. See https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2019/01/15/quantum-comput... Can somebody dispute this claim?

It's tempting to dismiss that write-up due to its incendiary style, but I find that many of its "factory floor" level insights ring true to me. As an experimentalist, I would agree with the sentiment that the potential future applications of Quantum computing probably receive too much media attention, given the maturity level of existing technology. The technical arguments as to why building a useful QC will be impos…

John Martinis emphasized in his talks that they didn't observe any correlations between local errors in the Sycamore and the total error can be computed through the "high school probability theory" from the local errors. This pretty much silences deniers who used this totally made-up argument against quantum computing.

Re: Trump administration establishes $75M quantum computing centers

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Do you know how pretentious this sounds? Not everyone outside the HN tech bubble has any idea what those words mean.

It was incredibly helpful to me though. Now I feel like maybe I could actually grok quantum computing.

Have you seen Dave Jone's video on quantum computing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOQhdgY8aBM

Re: Trump administration establishes $75M quantum computing centers

#128
post #76

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Do you also consider it a peculiarity that all failures of the federal government are attributed to the president? Example: "Trump sent militia to Portland to put protesters into unmarked vans.". Or is this attribution a worry only when something good happens?

The popular suggestion - with regard to your specific example - is that the president himself is directly supporting those federal actions in Portland (against the wishes of state leadership and law enforcement) because appearing strong on crime is politically beneficial for his re-election. There is no other reason for those officers to be present, refuse to wear uniforms, or use civilian vehicles. The But then, I’m…

>>>There is no other reason for those officers to be present

Looting? Vandalism? Rioting? Violence? Failure of local government to do anything about it?

Re: Trump administration establishes $75M quantum computing centers

#129
post #47

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> In which way are quantum computers commercially useful? VC Bait seems like a natural fit. Just say you are making a quantum computer that predicts global warming trends using blockchain. Might want to buy a wheel barrel for all your money you’ll be leaving that meeting with.

You forgot about supporting 5G

Include _____-as-a-service. Then sum it up as the Uber of whatever and you can laugh your way to the bank.

Re: Trump administration establishes $75M quantum computing centers

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This appears to be a surprisingly level-headed government initiative. The amount is enough to do something but not so much as to be a colossal boondoggle. It's the sort of fundamental research which private industry tends to under-produce because it's hard for any given company to recoup the full value of the R&D, but the target area is something with potential downstream practical implications. > bipartisan Also by…

I agree. It'd be concerning if they launched with some obscene $1 billion type financial tag with it. If or when it makes sense, they can always increase funding for these three centers and or to build additional centers. Which is exactly what I'd expect in the coming years.

I disagree. I'd be completely find with a $1bn financial tag with it. That's not going to be $1bn for a year but spread over something like 5-10 years. If this is a strategic technology, it is highly beneficial for the government to invest in it. They'll make the money back once the technology becomes widespread.

And I mean, look at the last paragraph

> ... the NSF that would be given $100 billion over five years to invest in American research and technology issues, including quantum computing.

Which seems low when you consider that we spent $430 bn on the F35 and lifetime expected cost is 1.5tn for more acquisition and maintenance. Governments work with larger amounts of money and when you look at science (arguably the best way to get ahead in military) it is pennies (CERN was funded internationally and only cost around $20bn over 10 years and $1bn/yr for operation). I mean the largest super computers cost only a couple hundred million, which means if Google or Facebook wanted to, they could compete.

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