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Re: India, Jio, and the Four Internets

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Post by sumedh »

ktrl wrote: post #48

Is it in the geopolitical interest of the West and India to use the same Internet platforms? Take a look at what reddit and YouTube users have to say about India. That kind of uncensored hatred and racism will push India right into the arms of Russia and China. It would be better for US-India relations if Indian Internet users also have local alternatives to choose from. Local alternatives where they don't have to he…

> That kind of uncensored hatred and racism will push India right into the arms of Russia and China.

Russia is already India's old friend and China is India's old enemy.

Re: India, Jio, and the Four Internets

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Post by M2Ys4U »

adventured wrote: post #66
azinman2 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But where are the examples of the valued products in large use? Let's see.. Spotify ok, Mojang hmmmhmmm.... Rovio? Outside of Spotify, what do I use on a daily basis as an American that's a valued EU-based company?

> Outside of Spotify, what do I use on a daily basis as an American that's a valued EU-based company? ARM Holdings (to be fair they did spend 99% of their life up to this point in the EU) and SAP are two reasonable examples derived from the EU that have products that are used by Americans regularly. ARM was co-founded by two American companies and is now owned by a Japanese company, so that's not exactly a shining in…

>ARM was co-founded by two American companies and is now owned by a Japanese company, so that's not exactly a shining independent example for the EU (past or present).

ARM was founded by two American companies and a British company, Acorn Computers.[0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_Computers

Re: India, Jio, and the Four Internets

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Post by naruvimama »

gigatexal wrote: post #247
sseth wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

During congress rule, CBI was referred to as a "caged parrot". The CBI did not act unless forced by the Supreme Court. The CAG is a very different body - it is much more independent of government, and did raise issues around 2G spectrum allocation and many other areas during Congress time. I mean, the UPA had a minister running an entire TV station out of BSNL lines running to his home, so really it was pretty blatan…

To be fair I can’t think of a congress party member that was wanted for crimes against humanity on an international scale until he became PM and all was forgiven. [1] [1]( https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-30826044 )

Everyone and his dog pretends to forget how the riot started.

How do people brush under the carpet the burning alive of 58 hindu pilgrims, which include women and children.

And then have the face to go on to demonise the poor man Modi, blaming him for the riot.

Last I heard it was not Modi running a blood thirsty muslim mob.

Re: India, Jio, and the Four Internets

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Post by gigatexal »

naruvimama wrote: post #253
gigatexal wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair I can’t think of a congress party member that was wanted for crimes against humanity on an international scale until he became PM and all was forgiven. [1] [1]( https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-30826044 )

Everyone and his dog pretends to forget how the riot started. How do people brush under the carpet the burning alive of 58 hindu pilgrims, which include women and children. And then have the face to go on to demonise the poor man Modi, blaming him for the riot. Last I heard it was not Modi running a blood thirsty muslim mob.

The first hit when googling “events that preceded the Gujarat riots” (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/04/06/world/asia/mo...)

Get your timeline right.

People being killed because of the religion they were born into is about as stupid as it gets. Nobody wins when people senselessly die. My point is the world wants to do business with India so Modi becomes no longer a criminal. That’s capitalism for you.

Re: India, Jio, and the Four Internets

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Post by [deleted] »

gigatexal wrote: post #254
naruvimama wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone and his dog pretends to forget how the riot started. How do people brush under the carpet the burning alive of 58 hindu pilgrims, which include women and children. And then have the face to go on to demonise the poor man Modi, blaming him for the riot. Last I heard it was not Modi running a blood thirsty muslim mob.

The first hit when googling “events that preceded the Gujarat riots” ( https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/04/06/world/asia/mo... ) Get your timeline right. People being killed because of the religion they were born into is about as stupid as it gets. Nobody wins when people senselessly die. My point is the world wants to do business with India so Modi becomes no longer a criminal. That’s capitalism for you.

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Re: India, Jio, and the Four Internets

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Post by triceratops »

azinman2 wrote: post #149
triceratops wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> what do I use on a daily basis as an American that's a valued EU-based company? Booking.com? Adyen? (they're worth more than Stripe)

Pretty short list...

Mojang, Ubisoft, CD Projekt Red

Re: India, Jio, and the Four Internets

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Post by sbmthakur »

gigatexal wrote: post #247
sseth wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

During congress rule, CBI was referred to as a "caged parrot". The CBI did not act unless forced by the Supreme Court. The CAG is a very different body - it is much more independent of government, and did raise issues around 2G spectrum allocation and many other areas during Congress time. I mean, the UPA had a minister running an entire TV station out of BSNL lines running to his home, so really it was pretty blatan…

To be fair I can’t think of a congress party member that was wanted for crimes against humanity on an international scale until he became PM and all was forgiven. [1] [1]( https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-30826044 )

You missed an important detail. A committee under the aegis of the Supreme Court of India cleared him of all those crimes against humanity.

Re: India, Jio, and the Four Internets

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Post by sbmthakur »

naruvimama wrote: post #253
gigatexal wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair I can’t think of a congress party member that was wanted for crimes against humanity on an international scale until he became PM and all was forgiven. [1] [1]( https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-30826044 )

Everyone and his dog pretends to forget how the riot started. How do people brush under the carpet the burning alive of 58 hindu pilgrims, which include women and children. And then have the face to go on to demonise the poor man Modi, blaming him for the riot. Last I heard it was not Modi running a blood thirsty muslim mob.

> Everyone and his dog pretends to forget how the riot started.

> How do people brush under the carpet the burning alive of 58 hindu pilgrims, which include women and children.

They don't talk about it because it doesn't suit their narrative.

Re: India, Jio, and the Four Internets

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Post by sbmthakur »

castevictim wrote: post #249
cocoland2 wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had my rant about BSNL down below. BSNL by a far distance has to be the worst in terms of Customer service , which is sad because i know of brilliant engineers who joined as Junior Engineers in BSNL clearing PSC. Unless there is accountability , there is no chance BSNL will survive. Note that this is really bad , especially for rural areas where BSNL had the strongest connectivity

I have spoken with several top BSNL authorities. Systematic hurdles are being thrown at them from performing even routine tasks necessary to maintain telecom infrastructure. e.g. Roads cannot be dug up by BSNL for repairing their telephone lines, where as Reliance can. If they indeed proceed to dig up the road, they are threatened with a police case. In several cities, only Reliance have permission to dig the roads f…

> In HAL, future Aircraft/Helicopter productions were halted after the Rafael deal was signed up with Jr. Ambani's Reliance. But when the whistleblower letter from PMO hit the roof, supreme court was involved, some HAL old projects were given permission to continue to not raise suspicion. But still, many in HAL beleive it's done for and only companies in nexus with BJP with no prior experience will manufacture military Aircraft in the future(This was before the China fiasco).

The Rafale deal is not even about manufacturing fighter jets. Not sure from where such anecdotes come from.

Re: India, Jio, and the Four Internets

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Post by sbmthakur »

castevictim wrote: post #202

I think the lack of geographical proximity to Jio, didn't give Mr. Ben the complete picture of the forces at play. The story of Jio (Reliance) cannot be told without the political-corruption-nexus in India, by investing in Jio - Facebook, Google, Qualcomm etc. not only acquire stake in 'The Enterprise' of India but also guaranteed of political favors apart from access to data from millions of Indians through a single…

> Let me give you an example of the political reach companies like Adani, Reliance etc. which are in nexus with current ruling party - BJP have in India. I have personally heard from Ex. High Court judges that when they were presiding over cases involving Adani, Reliance they were approached by officials from those companies and were asked "Would you like to be a Governor after your retirement?".

Corruption in judiciary is widely known and it predates Adani, Reliace etc. Nothing much can be done here as the Constitution exempts contempt of court from freedom of speech.

> As there is practically no real opposition party left in India, BJP will rule India for for decades to come as it slips into total authoritarianism(like CCP).

Similar predictions were made for Congress but things turned out differently. BJP has even lost some key states recently. That doesn't look like CCP in anyway.

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