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Trump administration establishes $75M quantum computing centers

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Re: Trump administration establishes $75M quantum computing centers

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Sure, apart from the corruption, the violence, the increasingly blatant racism, "he" [his advisors] did something that costs next to nothing.

> the violence The left certainly is committing more acts of violence and riots than the right. 4 people murdered in the ultra-left zone, the Chaz in 2 weeks. Scores murdered in Democrat-led cities across America (Baltimore, Chicago, etc.). Murders on the rise in NYC. Large group of officers attacked in Grant Park in chicago by a mob. Somehow that's Trump's fault?

I feel honored that my city has been chosen as one of the beta sites for the new Gestapo. I’m surprised the right is so welcoming of unmarked, unnamed federal agents but surely the plan is for this all to end well. It’s definitely not meant to distract from the 140,000 dead (and rising) or the massive ongoing recession or his friend on trial for sex trafficking.

Re: Trump administration establishes $75M quantum computing centers

#102
post #54

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Quantum computers are modeled with extremely basic linear algebra. Quantum states are vectors and gates are matrices which multiply those vectors to get new vectors. How much simpler do you want? You can explain most of it as rotations around the unit circle which we all learn in high school or earlier. The problem is pop science crap that tries to explain superposition and entanglement with complete word salad inste…

Do you know how pretentious this sounds? Not everyone outside the HN tech bubble has any idea what those words mean.

Popular science has been trying to explain quantum mechanics to people for well over half a century now, and it hasn't worked one time. All we got was a bunch of woo like What the Bleep do We Know?! You need math. There's no other way around it. Any understanding of quantum mechanics or computing that is not fundamentally rooted in mathematical reasoning is worse than mush.

Re: Trump administration establishes $75M quantum computing centers

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I can't tell if this number is large or small. However, all research institutions take a cut of grant money in what is usually called "Facilities and Administration" cost. My undergrad rate was 50% of the proposed sum. Obviously the exact rate varies, but the fee remains. Ex. If a professor is writes a proposal for 1M. When the funding agency awards it they tack on another 1M for the institution. This is why "expensi…

That seems like a perverse incentive.

Agreed. This is what you get when you measure performance in terms of profits.

To quote Major General Smedley Butler: "A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes."

Higher education is a rachet.

Students pay ever-higher tuition, which at some level is backstopped by the government. If you don't go to college and pursue prestigious degrees the job market will be inaccessible, beyond basic skill entry level.

Graduate students are exploited laborers for the promise of a PhD and a letter of recommendation for a postdoc. Drawing from a global pool of talent for cheap research labor. If you don't do everything your advisor says you will lose your visa, or not get a publication and your academic career is dead-on-arrival.

Professors are in an environment that encourages pursuing expensive application-based research and high impact publications to pad their resumes for tenure. If you don't rake in the money and publish in "prestigious" journal (usually the walled off ones) you will not be considered for tenure, a raise, etc.

Tax dollars fund research institutions that take their generous "administration" fees and then hand over findings to walled garden journals. If you don't fund research we will not make the breakthroughs that gave us out "comfortable" way of life.

In the US, student athletes (until recently) could not profit off their likeness and all the money went to the school.

At the end of the day, the team of MBAs and administrators make fat salaries. This wouldn't be so bad if institutions used the revenue to improve education and dissemination of knowledge. Instead, they build fancy stadiums and raise tuition.

Re: Trump administration establishes $75M quantum computing centers

#104

Why does the title have to be political ans not "The US gov..."? Sounds like there is an agenda

Meta: whilst the title itself is a standard, neutral way for a political news site like TheHill to report a government's decisions, this is one case where editing the title for HN submission might help focus the discussion on the quantum computing initiative rather than the Trump administration. I say that as someone who's considerably more enthusiastic than the average HNer about content on here which is inherently political in nature

Re: Trump administration establishes $75M quantum computing centers

#106
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quantum computers are modeled with extremely basic linear algebra. Quantum states are vectors and gates are matrices which multiply those vectors to get new vectors. How much simpler do you want? You can explain most of it as rotations around the unit circle which we all learn in high school or earlier. The problem is pop science crap that tries to explain superposition and entanglement with complete word salad inste…

Do you know how pretentious this sounds? Not everyone outside the HN tech bubble has any idea what those words mean.

It was incredibly helpful to me though. Now I feel like maybe I could actually grok quantum computing.

Re: Trump administration establishes $75M quantum computing centers

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so close to admitting trump has done something decent!

Is this coming from him directly? I would be really surprised, he has plenty of advisors for that. What comes out of him directly is more visible on ie twitter, different story

This is implementation of a law passed by congress in 2018.

Re: Trump administration establishes $75M quantum computing centers

#108

I can't tell if this number is large or small. However, all research institutions take a cut of grant money in what is usually called "Facilities and Administration" cost. My undergrad rate was 50% of the proposed sum. Obviously the exact rate varies, but the fee remains. Ex. If a professor is writes a proposal for 1M. When the funding agency awards it they tack on another 1M for the institution. This is why "expensi…

I think these overhead numbers are quoted as the percentage on top of what gets spent, rather than the percentage of the incoming cash. 50% overhead means that buying a 1M machine involves giving 500K to the institution.

(Still crazy high, of course!)

Re: Trump administration establishes $75M quantum computing centers

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post #76

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It’s a peculiarity of the US system that decisions by the federal bureaucracy tend to be attributed to one person. You can be relatively confident that Donald Trump has no idea what a quantum computer is.

Do you also consider it a peculiarity that all failures of the federal government are attributed to the president? Example: "Trump sent militia to Portland to put protesters into unmarked vans.". Or is this attribution a worry only when something good happens?

So, that's a pretty major issue, and the president was presumably presented with a meaningful choice on it (if he wasn't, then there are other, very serious, problems). Whereas I would seriously doubt that he even rubber-stamped the quantum computing thing; even if he did it's not something he'd have any context on, and would really have to rely on the experts. They're very, very different things.

In a parliamentary system the quantum computer thing would be signed off by a ministerial department, and might be rubber-stamped by the minister, but probably would not be attributed to the minister by the press and certainly would not be attributed to the PM. The "have weird paramilitaries attack our own civilians" thing would definitely go to the PM and would require a decision from them, and would be blamed on them.

The "[whoever] admin did whatever" thing, for every little thing the government does, with named whoever, is a peculiarity of the US system, but everywhere attributes major decisions which the executive leader signed off on to the executive leader.

Re: Trump administration establishes $75M quantum computing centers

#110

I can't tell if this number is large or small. However, all research institutions take a cut of grant money in what is usually called "Facilities and Administration" cost. My undergrad rate was 50% of the proposed sum. Obviously the exact rate varies, but the fee remains. Ex. If a professor is writes a proposal for 1M. When the funding agency awards it they tack on another 1M for the institution. This is why "expensi…

To zeroth order, it works out to roughly 30 small research groups for 5 years.

At a place like Berkeley, where I did my PhD (but not in anything quantum related), a PhD student and a postdoc both cost a professor something like $75k/year in salary and benefits (money not spent on postdoc salary basically goes to student tuition). Add in the professors salary as well (which is often substantially supported by grants), figure $150k/year for the prof. So in people costs alone, let’s say 1 professor and 2 trainees, that’s about $300k/year, or $1.5M/5 years. Multiply by 30 professors supported, and you’re at $45M, which is 60% of the $75M. And yeah, this is assuming that experiments are free.

Now is 20-30 professors a lot? If sufficiently narrow and esteemed, absolutely. There were 29 people at the 1927 Solvay Conference. Give them an extra couple months where they aren’t sweating a grant, and that’s a lot of time to think.

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