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Post by dwd »

gremlinsinc wrote: post #185
dwd wrote: post #135

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I would say "completely disorganised" rather than "loose organisation" and I can't see that changing. The left is a vast collection of competing factional ideas that in many cases the only common purpose is a demand for change. Environmentalists can't agree with each other, let alone animal welfare activists who can't agree with native/traditional rights; and theres a range of single issue movements that end up dilut…

I'm on the left, and can concur. Many of us were pissed about Bernie losing, and thinking yeah now's the time for the Green party to win... Then there's like at least 3 groups trying to start 3 new political parties, those of us pushing for the greens, more pushing for one of the socialist parties, and some even pushing for the libertarian party (I'm a leftist/socialist libertarian, but the libertarian party is NOTHI…

The Greens in Australia are a sad case in point. They turn over people like crazy and I suspect that is largely due to the stress and pressure of basically herding cats. I've been silently wondering whether they were even infiltrated by a fifth column who exasperated these internal divisions to break their hold in the Australian Senate as the deciding vote for most issues.

Bernie was unfortunately an outsider who never stood a chance without the power brokers in the Democrat party stepping forward to back him, but the Greens seem to just eat their own.

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Post by rorykoehler »

manigandham wrote: post #99
exogeny wrote: post #44

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Can you describe to me what you think Antifa is?

A loose organization with regional groups, ranging from random protesters by proximity to political activists to violent criminals and terrorists, with various claims from generally left/socialist ideologies to outright radical extremism.

It's anyone who is anti-fascist. It's literally in the name. There is no organisation, just a movement. People who identify as Antifa do organise but there is no organisation as such. It's like Anon in that regard.

If you don't identify as Antifa you're basically admitting you're a fascist. If you don't agree with some actions taken by others who identify as Antifa that's fine but that doesn't make you a fascist. You can separate the movement from the action. Just some food for thought.

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Post by djur »

throwaway829 wrote: post #162
djur wrote: post #89

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That Chrissy Teigen was on the Epstein flight logs and involved in sexual depravity, despite being a minor at that time; that pictures Tom Hanks takes of random roadside detritus are secret signals to a worldwide network of Satanic pedophiles; that there is video of Hillary Clinton and Huma Abedin sexually abusing a child and cutting off her face; that Michelle Obama was secretly assigned male at birth and should be…

I've been following "Q" out of curiosity since when it started posting. Not sure if it's a pied piper op, as Wikileaks said, or something else. However I've not seen any of the things you listed as examples of hateful content. You can search all the posts yourself. "Chrissy Teigen" and "Hanks" show no results. Clinton is mentioned but none of the "cutting off her face" stuff. Where did you get these ideas? https://qp…

"QAnon" is the community of people who subscribe to the idea that "Q" is leading them to some hidden truth. I got these ideas by seeing thousands of people identifying as QAnon followers express every one of the ideas I listed above. You just have to look at any one of those famous people's tweets to see QAnon replies baselessly accusing them of horrible things. The codeword used for the supposed Clinton video in QAnon is "frazzledrip".

The nature of "Q", or at least the current person publishing under that guise (likely Jim and/or Ron Watkins), is that they rarely make any kind of concrete claims or predictions, but they've certainly made allusions to Moloch, Satan, cannibalism, etc. when referring to political figures. It's the responsibility of "bakers" in the community to take "Q"'s "crumbs" and come to conclusions. Certainly these conclusions have been widespread in the community for years and have not been spoken against by "Q".

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Post by andrenth »

msbarnett wrote: post #178
andrenth wrote: post #174

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That’s not what I meant though. If I understood your point correctly, a company could get in trouble for refusing to service someone based on some stated reason (e.g. your clothes) if it can be shown that they do serve other people that match that given reason. It seems to me that the situation with Twitter is the same, if it can be shown that they justify banning some people based on hate speech, while refusing to b…

> If I understood your point correctly, a company could get in trouble for refusing to service someone based on some stated reason (e.g. your clothes) if it can be shown that they do serve other people that match that given reason. Ah, no, I didn’t quite spell that out. They can get in trouble if their stated reason for refusing service doesn’t line up with the way they treat other people who behave the same way, IF…

I’ve found this link [1] though I have no idea if what they say is accurate. But they seem to claim companies actually do have to behave consistently in this regard:

[...] you can refuse to serve someone even if they’re in a protected group, but the refusal can’t be arbitrary and you can’t apply it to just one group of people.

To avoid being arbitrary, there must be a reason for refusing service and you must be consistent.

[...] you must apply your policy to everyone. For example, you can’t turn away a black person who’s not wearing a tie and then let in a tieless white man. You also can’t have a policy that sounds like it applies to everyone but really just excludes one particular group of people. So, for example, a policy against wearing headscarves in a restaurant would probably be discriminatory against Muslims.

[1] https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/the-right-to-refuse-servi...

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Post by andrenth »

gremlinsinc wrote: post #179
andrenth wrote: post #156

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That means I can refuse servicing you based on, for example, the clothes you’re wearing, right? Or maybe because I don’t like your hair? As far as I know people with bad hair is not a protected class. I’m trying to figure out how do you know the basis on which some private enterprise decided to refuse to provide their service to someone. Is it based on their stated reason?

Sure, or for not wearing a mask during a pandemic. No, 'rights' being taken away from you, it's just business.

Isn’t that example a bit different because wearing a mask became required by law during the pandemic? That’s the situation in my country, at least.

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Post by andrenth »

catalogia wrote: post #160
andrenth wrote: post #156

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That means I can refuse servicing you based on, for example, the clothes you’re wearing, right? Or maybe because I don’t like your hair? As far as I know people with bad hair is not a protected class. I’m trying to figure out how do you know the basis on which some private enterprise decided to refuse to provide their service to someone. Is it based on their stated reason?

For better or worse, many restaurants have dress codes.

But the restaurant is required to be consistent applying it, no? Can they refuse service because you’re not wearing a tie while simultaneously serving the guy in flip flops?

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Post by krapp »

andrenth wrote: post #196
catalogia wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For better or worse, many restaurants have dress codes.

But the restaurant is required to be consistent applying it, no? Can they refuse service because you’re not wearing a tie while simultaneously serving the guy in flip flops?

>But the restaurant is required to be consistent applying it, no?

IANAL but I don't think so. In the US at least, they can't be inconsistent in a way that correlates to persecuting a protected class (refusing service based on race for instance) but otherwise they have the right - often explicitly displayed on signage to patrons on entry - to be able to refuse service to anyone for any reason.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

geofft wrote: post #72
mensetmanusman wrote: post #15

The average person isn’t capable enough to judge information for themselves; we need people in power to curate what is seen.

The number of replies that are failing to understand that you're being sarcastic is slowly convincing me your statement is unironically true.

Ha.

I believe it is a function of the medium. Text is so interesting in that how you feel affects how you read and interpret it.

A good example is the line ‘I never said she took the money’

Depending on which words or sets of words you emphasize when saying it out loud, you can get a dozen different meanings out of the sentence. I.e. compressing human communication into text is more lossy than people recognize.

It becomes self perpetuating. If you feel angry, you will read people’s written word as snarky and you will get into a fighting mood. If you internally sing the communication from someone who is obviously trying to troll or be mean, it actually becomes quite hilarious and it will lift your mood (this is advice I give to people some times).

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Post by allarm »

joshuamorton wrote: post #110
allarm wrote: post #104

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They are though. Please don’t deny that. The two are comparable.

I can't tell if you're being needlessly pedantic, but to clarify: no there are no similarities between the holocaust and getting banned from twitter. The two situations aren't similar, and comparing them is disgusting and shows a lack of empathy for people who have faced actual persecution. Sure, you can write the words that compare them. No, you should not.

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