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FounderPool: A community for founders to share risk and diversify their equity

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Re: FounderPool: A community for founders to share risk and diversify their equity

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Interestingly, pedestrian injuries went up significantly after seatbelt laws, for the reason you note/deride.

> Interestingly, pedestrian injuries went up significantly after seatbelt laws, for the reason you note/deride. Source?

Not sure what book I read it in, but here’s a cite to a study that concluded this was the case: https://ideas.repec.org/a/eee/trapol/v44y2015icp58-64.html

Re: FounderPool: A community for founders to share risk and diversify their equity

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A few months' back, someone on Twitter criticized a similar platform, calling it an outright scam. I said that was totally unfair, and that it's one thing to call it a bad deal (which really depends on the percentage given up and the quality of the companies in the pool), it's another thing to call it a scam. That prompted the "pro-VC crowd" to start calling me stupid and naive - "startups need cash, not equity", "if…

> Unsurprising, given the pool makes founders less reliant on them How? The startup still need VCs for funding. If I were a VC, one gripe would be that it might hurt a founder's motivation. At 1% of a founder's equity, it's not so much that they're not working to make the next big thing, but in the back of their mind, they know they might get $1M for it. My other concern is that this almost freerides on the VC model.…

> How? The startup still need VCs for funding.

For precisely the reason you set out in your second paragraph.

Assuming your startup is in the VC bucket to begin with, you have two choices when you start floundering. Either ask for more money, or shut it down.

The latter practically guarantees you leave with nothing, so naturally, you prefer the former. This means VCs are almost always in a position of leverage to extract a larger share/more onerous terms/etc.

With a stake in a founder pool, "walking away" becomes a much more attractive option. You already have some baseline value that makes you far less reliant on whatever opportunistic VC you're in bed with.

Re: FounderPool: A community for founders to share risk and diversify their equity

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> Interestingly, pedestrian injuries went up significantly after seatbelt laws, for the reason you note/deride. Source?

Not sure what book I read it in, but here’s a cite to a study that concluded this was the case: https://ideas.repec.org/a/eee/trapol/v44y2015icp58-64.html

Thanks - have bookmarked.

Re: FounderPool: A community for founders to share risk and diversify their equity

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> A 0.1% equity stake in a startup that ends up hitting is life changing. For the vast majority of startups, "hitting" is $100-200M acquihire. 0.1% of that is only 200K. If you can get in on something like Beyond Meat, sure, but that's the kind of a company which won't be a part of something like this. Speaking from the other end of this spectrum, BTW, my risk tolerance is higher now than it's ever been. I don't have…

Much of our research has been with founders at YC & 500 (cohorts who represent the Beyond Meats of the world). The majority we spoke to, including the breakout unicorns, stated they would have have participated in equity pooling with their batchmates during the batch. We also learned the darlings of their batch were often not the breakout successes, and later upstaged by others in the batch.

I actually had exactly this idea with my YC knock-off, HMC INQ.

The first cohort (5 cos in 2017) I offered them to all pool some of their equity. But first I polled how much each would be willing to give. The results were 0%, 0%, 2%, 5%, and 20%.

So, I abandoned it. Ironically the one that offered 20% is doing the best so far.

Re: FounderPool: A community for founders to share risk and diversify their equity

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> keep up financially with my spouse's career and her changing life expectations This has been a big issue for multiple people in my social group. It's well known at this point that a relationship where a woman earns more is less stable - https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/02/business/breadwinner-wive... Whether this is due to sexist expectations, increased likelihood of hypergamous relationships in women, etc., is not…

This sounds like sort of an academic take on the pattern of the woman earning more in a hetero couple. My actual experience is just about feelings of equity. There's a person who I love and respect and she's done a lot to advance her own career over the 15 years we've been together. And so I want to be able to give her an equivalent amount to what she gives me.

And you measure that by money?

Re: FounderPool: A community for founders to share risk and diversify their equity

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I have questions buzzing through my head. How does this work? If it's this good, why aren't VC's already doing this amongst portfolio founders? How do you catch companies founded at the same time with close valuations to do "shared pools" equitably given all parameters?

It’s been done before: http://ebexchange.com/

Re: FounderPool: A community for founders to share risk and diversify their equity

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> Unsurprising, given the pool makes founders less reliant on them How? The startup still need VCs for funding. If I were a VC, one gripe would be that it might hurt a founder's motivation. At 1% of a founder's equity, it's not so much that they're not working to make the next big thing, but in the back of their mind, they know they might get $1M for it. My other concern is that this almost freerides on the VC model.…

> How? The startup still need VCs for funding. For precisely the reason you set out in your second paragraph. Assuming your startup is in the VC bucket to begin with, you have two choices when you start floundering. Either ask for more money, or shut it down. The latter practically guarantees you leave with nothing, so naturally, you prefer the former. This means VCs are almost always in a position of leverage to ext…

Interesting take. Makes sense if the timeframe for startup success (profitable exit) was as truncated as startup death. Startups either die, show signs of dying, or get acqui-hired much more quickly than the startups that guarantee's (practically speaking) successful exit.

Re: FounderPool: A community for founders to share risk and diversify their equity

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Much of our research has been with founders at YC & 500 (cohorts who represent the Beyond Meats of the world). The majority we spoke to, including the breakout unicorns, stated they would have have participated in equity pooling with their batchmates during the batch. We also learned the darlings of their batch were often not the breakout successes, and later upstaged by others in the batch.

I actually had exactly this idea with my YC knock-off, HMC INQ. The first cohort (5 cos in 2017) I offered them to all pool some of their equity. But first I polled how much each would be willing to give. The results were 0%, 0%, 2%, 5%, and 20%. So, I abandoned it. Ironically the one that offered 20% is doing the best so far.

Amazing. I heard similar stories from other 2x founders.

Re: FounderPool: A community for founders to share risk and diversify their equity

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> Unsurprising, given the pool makes founders less reliant on them How? The startup still need VCs for funding. If I were a VC, one gripe would be that it might hurt a founder's motivation. At 1% of a founder's equity, it's not so much that they're not working to make the next big thing, but in the back of their mind, they know they might get $1M for it. My other concern is that this almost freerides on the VC model.…

> How? The startup still need VCs for funding. For precisely the reason you set out in your second paragraph. Assuming your startup is in the VC bucket to begin with, you have two choices when you start floundering. Either ask for more money, or shut it down. The latter practically guarantees you leave with nothing, so naturally, you prefer the former. This means VCs are almost always in a position of leverage to ext…

Here, walking away doesn't leave the entrepreneur wealthy, but we hope, covers some opportunity cost. A safety net. This can provide a source of strength in VC negotiations as well as a foundation for the founder to make calm, rational decisions rooted in long term success.
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