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The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Service [pdf]

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Something I don't normally see discussed re privatization of US Postal Service is that it doesn't appear to be a novel idea. Singapore's postal service, SingPost, is a publicly traded company[1]. The UK's postal service, Royal Mail, is a publicly traded limited company[2]. Germany's postal service, Deutsche Post AG, is a publicly traded company[3]. Japan's postal service, Japan Post, is a publicly traded company[4].…

Consider any tangible thing that's wrong with America - shareholders whims are likely to be a part of that equation. This is a state of affairs we need to consider rolling back, not expanding.

That’s comically simplistic.

If you actually drill down into every tangible thing that’s wrong with America, you’ll find that root causes are actually pretty complicated.

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post #20

The amount of narcissism these people (the Koch's, for example) have is just astounding. If you're a billionaire, what could possibly be a reasonable explanation for why you even care about the post office? Why are these people so hell bent on hurting people to feed their own narcissism? The USPS could be improved but struggles primarily due to active efforts to kill it off. But it's a wonderful idea of a service tha…

The idea that it’s purely narcissistic is without merit. Privatization is about fostering competition to ensure better products are created. Just because the USPS works as is does not mean it couldn’t be better. This is a classic “I like things the way they are” problem. Where the other possibilities are unknown and inexperienced and so are not given equal weight to a decision. I don’t particularly care whether the p…

> The idea that it’s purely narcissistic is without merit. Privatization is about fostering competition to ensure better products are created.

This fostering competition business is often a false narrative. If the USPS was dissolved, there would be hardly anything compelling UPS or FedEx to pick up its services. If they did, they'd be at an increased cost to consumers.

> Just because the USPS works as is does not mean it couldn’t be better.

In my original comment, I explicitly said "The USPS could be improved but struggles primarily due to active efforts to kill it off. But it's a wonderful idea of a service that definitely should exist and be improved." The problem is that the USPS is in a chokehold by politicians, starving it of funds and increasing its costs, yelling at it "why can't you do better?" Talk about "fair" competition. Of course public services should be improved.

> But the more we keep failing at things like public schools the more I’m inclined to align with privatization.

As I mentioned in my original comment, we should focus on improving these things. Public schools are poor for a variety of reasons, primarily political, and their problems are not inherent to their existence as a public service. My mom was a teacher for decades, as were her family members. I've seen why schools struggle, and it's not simply because they're a public service.

> But you can’t fake incentive. What is the USPS incentive to do better?

What is UPS or FedEx's or any other company's incentive to do better? More capital and more money. Their incentive isn't to make people's lives better. It's to earn more money. It just so happens that these can overlap, but company's have few incentives to provide services to people. That's the entire point of public services. It's because there isn't an incentive for companies to provide them in a way that's beneficial and cost effective for the common people.

Re: The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Service [pdf]

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post #450

Perhaps we should allow a private arm of the postal service to enter another area important for communication: internet service. As it is now, internet service is restricted to one or two providers in most regions. Prices are ridiculously high compared to the rest of the world. And broadband in the US is denied to many low profit areas. Yet we are in a time of COVID sanctions, schooling and working remotely that all…

I would be thrilled to pay USPS as an email provider or ISP, even paying a premium to do so, if they offered comparable service in my area.

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Altavista had access to the same web that Google had. Google created a better mousetrap and the world beat a path to its door.

I agree entirely, but the premise was that more labor went into Altavista’s indexing than Google’s, which is inaccurate. Google was better at capturing the value of labor external to itself, which was far more labor than was ever used to build Altavista.

The American way - get other people to do your work! I still remember my CS profs saying they best quality of a programmer is laziness!

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What is private industry's incentive to do better?

If you don't produce desirable results for your customer you go out of business?

And if the businesses in question are rent-seeking oligopolies?

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post #405

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True, but the question is always: what level of profit is reasonable? A corporation, absent regulation, will charge as much as the market will bear. If they can charge twice as much but only lose a quarter of their customers, they'll do it. Such a situation with something like water would be a disaster. People would die.

We already have this situation going on in the health care industry. Companies will raise prices as long as profits can be increased. A large amount of the US population can't afford to have access to health care anymore.

Profits are capped, and economists agree that such caps are not helpful.

https://www.aeaweb.org/research/regulating-health-insurers-a...

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post #87

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I get a say every time I vote.

Do you think anyone is listening to what you have to say? This comes back to voice vs. exit, which was being discussed on HN yesterday.[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit,_Voice,_and_Loyalty

Not much, but that's why I support proportional representation, not turning the world into a Libertarian hellhole.

Re: The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Service [pdf]

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post #74

Something I don't normally see discussed re privatization of US Postal Service is that it doesn't appear to be a novel idea. Singapore's postal service, SingPost, is a publicly traded company[1]. The UK's postal service, Royal Mail, is a publicly traded limited company[2]. Germany's postal service, Deutsche Post AG, is a publicly traded company[3]. Japan's postal service, Japan Post, is a publicly traded company[4].…

Some data to consider while thinking about privatizing the post office, population densities:

  US        -      87/sq mi
  Germany   -     603/sq mi
  UK        -     725/sq mi
  Japan     -     862/sq mi
  Singapore -  20,446/sq mi

Re: The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Service [pdf]

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post #400

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They’re not what we would call charter schools. For example, you can use school vouchers in Sweden for religious education.

Is this statement from the page I linked to wrong then? > In contrast to American private schools, Sweden’s free schools don’t charge tuition — they draw on government funds to operate — and are required to follow Sweden’s national curriculum. They’re more comparable to American charter schools, which are publicly funded but privately run.

I mean I guess what part you’re focused on. The Swedish program is widely called a “voucher” program. It has the essential element of competition: per student funding follows the student. As your quote states, it’s like charter schools rather than tuition-charging private schools in that money doesn’t go through the parents, but directly to schools. But like the De Voss proposal, and unlike American charter schools, Swedish school choice encompasses a much wider variety of schools, including religious schools.
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