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FounderPool: A community for founders to share risk and diversify their equity

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Re: FounderPool: A community for founders to share risk and diversify their equity

#131

My two cents: I think this is a fantastic idea and I've wanted to see something like this for years. That said, this is one of those things where unfortunately the reputation of the persons behind FounderPool matter a lot to me, and other founders. Yet there's no info on the site about who's running this. Founders are making a massive gamble putting their companies into this novel legal arrangement and I'd want to se…

All valid questions. We are adding more information about the company, the people and the business model of Founderpool.

Founderpool does take a share of the pool of equity as platform fee, it will be transparent and will be publicly available.

Thank you for the feedback.

Re: FounderPool: A community for founders to share risk and diversify their equity

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post #103

This is the worst idea I've ever heard. If I were a VC and I found out one of the founders in my portfolio had become involved with FounderPool I would immediately drop them and cut my losses. Being a founder takes a huge amount of confidence: You have to believe, against all odds, that you will be successful. If you really do believe you'll be successful then it wouldn't make sense to trade your soon-to-be valuable…

+100 And on top of all this, what happens to the voting of this pool, share holder agreements, etc? I can only fathom the shenanigans that can occur. An acquiring firm can press hard on this 1% if they're playing ball.

This comes out of the founder's vested shares -- not the company stock -- transferrable only if there's ever an exit event. It's arguably more desirable for investors, the board, and acquirers than if the founder sold shares on the secondary market.

Re: FounderPool: A community for founders to share risk and diversify their equity

#134

I wouldn't be surprised if YC implements a version of this internally

We wondered the same. Can't speak for YC but we do understand that most funds would have trouble running this internally due to fiduciary conflicts of interest and management concerns.

Re: FounderPool: A community for founders to share risk and diversify their equity

#135

I wouldn't be surprised if YC implements a version of this internally

I've heard that some YC founders approached them about it, but the management of this structure may be more work that distracts YC from it's focus. We hope every accelerator and VC film does this eventually, we want to power as many of them as we can under the hood.

Re: FounderPool: A community for founders to share risk and diversify their equity

#136
post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, we see that as most frictionless way to accomplish this at scale

Is there more that can be read on this somewhere? How it's taxed, what're the implications, how is it structured?

Great questions, it will be on our FAQ page

Re: FounderPool: A community for founders to share risk and diversify their equity

#137
post #127
post #103

This is the worst idea I've ever heard. If I were a VC and I found out one of the founders in my portfolio had become involved with FounderPool I would immediately drop them and cut my losses. Being a founder takes a huge amount of confidence: You have to believe, against all odds, that you will be successful. If you really do believe you'll be successful then it wouldn't make sense to trade your soon-to-be valuable…

As mean as that might sound, that is exactly what I assumed the VC reaction would be. I also thought equity agreements heavily restricted how employee-shareholders can sell their stock, and you can't just promise away shares to others without consent of the investors as if that somehow bypasses the restriction?

Hard transfer ban clauses are rare, usually they are ROFRs. Some boards may push back, but they do see the benefit of the founder having an aligned support network and we believe many will let this happen.

We believe that this exception to the ROFR or transfer restriction becomes a standard clause built into most term sheets in the future.

Re: FounderPool: A community for founders to share risk and diversify their equity

#138
Have you actually modeled out the potential payouts?

How did you choose the 1% number (percent of their equity that each founder contributes) as well as the pool size of My quick back-of-the-envelope calculation:

Expected payout to each member would be:

  1% * avg_valuation_of_companies_in_pool * avg_percent_ownership_at_exit
Assuming an average valuation (in the literal sense, total exit value of all co's in the pool / number of co's) of $100M [2] and assuming that the founders own roughly 15% at exit, the expected payout would be only $150K excluding taxes, which seems quite low.

[1] Modeling should be somewhat doable leveraging public data. For example, you can use YC company data in https://ycombinator.com/topcompanies https://ycombinator.com/companies and simulate what the payouts would be if you were to choose 25 companies from a given batch at random.

[2] $100M is likely in the right ballpark. According to https://www.ycombinator.com/ :

> Since 2005, we've funded over 2,000 startups.

> Our companies have a combined valuation of over $100B.

the average valuation of YC co's would be ~$50M; if you exclude half of those that are in recent batches (haven't had time to realize their value and don't really contribute towards the $100B total) it might be closer to $100M.

Under a FounderPool model, an example of this would be a pool of 20 co's in which 2 companies end up exiting for $1B each and the rest essentially $0.

Re: FounderPool: A community for founders to share risk and diversify their equity

#139

Have you actually modeled out the potential payouts? How did you choose the 1% number (percent of their equity that each founder contributes) as well as the pool size of My quick back-of-the-envelope calculation: Expected payout to each member would be: 1% * avg_valuation_of_companies_in_pool * avg_percent_ownership_at_exit Assuming an average valuation (in the literal sense, total exit value of all co's in the pool…

1) Pools sizes are not fixed number and more over, founders can invite other companies to existing pool on a rolling basis 2) We have done modeling, obviously selection is the top determinant of payouts (20% avg. success rate vs 40% success rate) but bigger pool sizes ensure potential for a breakout company. Happy to share if interested, contact us at contact at founderpools.com
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