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The Guns of Bitcoin (2017)

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> What makes dollars valuable is that the government wants them back. Very common misconception. Dollars have value because there is demand for them (governments, other governments, other people and institutions). Bitcoin also has value because there is demand for it. As does your house, expensive art, etc. Why does anything have value? Because someone else will pay your for it. I can say my pencil is worth $1 billio…

My model of fiat money is like a battery: the government is both the outgoing pole (money printing) and the incoming pole (taxation). Money flows through the economy from one pole to the other, but all demand terminally stems from the taxation pole just as all supply stems from the printing pole.

Of course, things get more complicated because money exists across time, credit, and inflation. But as a simple model it explains why, for example, money tends to get devalued when it stops being accepted as tax. Just as a circuit stops flowing when you disconnect either pole.

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> American dollars have value because the US Government taxes things, like land, and if you do not pay those taxes they will send you mean letters (trust me) before resorting to other means (trust Al Capone) This is just plain wrong. Currencies have value themselves for their utility as a means of exchange, not because of taxes. This idea that raising taxes increases the value of a currency is bonkers.

It's not "plain wrong." When minting a new currency you need a way to bootstrap it into being an accepted medium of exchange, and taxes help serve that purpose. They aren't the only method (and I'm not sure historically whether that was the case for the USD), but it isn't baseless.

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I would like to see a total ban/block of any kind of cryptocurrency articles on HN. I'm happy to include my own, if that's what it takes. https://louwrentius.com/cryptocurrencies-are-detrimental-to-...

you want to censor discussion around a promising technology. why?

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The article makes a lot of good points. I think people put way too much stock into the government not being able to regulate digital currencies. Besides the obvious technical advantages of a state power, they can simply create policy that turns people into criminals if they intentionally answer questions wrong on their tax returns.

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I would like to see a total ban/block of any kind of cryptocurrency articles on HN. I'm happy to include my own, if that's what it takes. https://louwrentius.com/cryptocurrencies-are-detrimental-to-...

you ask for a benefit. a benefit of Bitcoin is zero unexpected inflation. Zero unexpected inflation means the cantillon effect is reduced with adoption of Bitcoin as money, driving out the systems behind central bank caused wealth inequality

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> What makes dollars valuable is that the government wants them back. Very common misconception. Dollars have value because there is demand for them (governments, other governments, other people and institutions). Bitcoin also has value because there is demand for it. As does your house, expensive art, etc. Why does anything have value? Because someone else will pay your for it. I can say my pencil is worth $1 billio…

Actually you wrong. Dolar has value, because even if no one will want dollar, government will buy it for dollar. It backed on government promise.

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The common mistake is to try to compare Bitcoin to a predefined experience of money. Bitcoin's value is multifaceted. From a very simplistic perspective, it can be compared to gold. Things get more interesting when you value aspects such as it being: - Fully digital - Verifiable by the common individual - Sent and received with no interference from third parties - Free from supply emission increases or control Each o…

Also, add the open source part meaning everyone can audit how it works and fork it if needed, and the network effects preventing said forks.

Being protected from double spend or 51% attacks by having everybody in the world cooperate, because it is in their own selfish interest to do so, is indeed unprecedented.

The current price seems extremely undervalued. I believe it is due to factoring-in the legal risks for when government realize a currency they can't control (block people they don't like, see eurodollars) or inflate at will (regardless of the reason, good or bad, it's about control) is a threat that must be legislated away.

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> What makes dollars valuable is that the government wants them back. Very common misconception. Dollars have value because there is demand for them (governments, other governments, other people and institutions). Bitcoin also has value because there is demand for it. As does your house, expensive art, etc. Why does anything have value? Because someone else will pay your for it. I can say my pencil is worth $1 billio…

My model of fiat money is like a battery: the government is both the outgoing pole (money printing) and the incoming pole (taxation). Money flows through the economy from one pole to the other, but all demand terminally stems from the taxation pole just as all supply stems from the printing pole. Of course, things get more complicated because money exists across time, credit, and inflation. But as a simple model it e…

I disagree strongly here - there really is no incoming pole in the government and the outgoing pole is incredibly ineffective. The US (as an example) doesn't have the ability to effectively decrease monetary supply by simply failing to redistribute taxes - the total national wealth of the US is currently 105 trillion[1] while the total tax revenue is somewhere in the 3.5 trillion[2] range - it would take 30 years to cycle the full value of the US through the government at the current churn rate, the GDP is significantly smaller and (at 22 trillion) would likely take six years to fully process.

Money can be thought of like a battery - sorta, but more like a bank of batteries - each one of us has a certain earning and spending potential that constitutes the voltage we're contributing to the economy - and it's all of us tiny batteries that contribute a much large proportion to the over all monetary flow than the big contributors like government (who are, by comparison, in the minority).

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_wea...

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget

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