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‘Strong Opinions, Weakly Held’ Doesn't Work That Well

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Re: ‘Strong Opinions, Weakly Held’ Doesn't Work That Well

#71
I don't like the idea all that much. It seems close to how I operate instinctively, but somewhat neglects the coexisence of mutually exclusive ideas, which, I believe, is rooted in the poor choice of the word "opinion".

The reality of human perception is that we never have absolute knowledge and can only operate on a framework of assumptions; when two possible assumptions are mutually exclusive, we often pick the most likely candidate and focus on that scenario.

This seems to be a reasonable methodology throughout most of human evolution, where decisions more often needed to be immediate.

In a modern world though, it seems like a way more helpful mental model is a superposition of scenarios and adequate responses to any of them; in conclusion, the only reasonably principle on which to make decisions would be maximizing the probability of being adequately prepared for the outcome of a situation, which can be simplified as "Be prepared for as many likely outcomes as possible", or, more correctly, act in such a way that maximises the sum of the probabilities of all the outcomes you are adequately prepared for.

EDIT: I probably should have read the entire article before writing all that; just one paragraph after where I had stopped the author actually makes a very similar point.

Re: ‘Strong Opinions, Weakly Held’ Doesn't Work That Well

#72
An great counterpoint to this argument comes from Allen Holub in his talk “#NoEstimates”.

The system of making bets does not translate well when communicating that to business folks and managers — which is why it’s largely non-existent for story pointing in agile environments. People are overly optimistic; they hear 80% and think 100%. Doing percentages isn’t foolproof either.

Re: ‘Strong Opinions, Weakly Held’ Doesn't Work That Well

#74
My take on "strong opinions, weakly held:" It's about combating your own confirmation bias by being willing to do the work of re-examining your conclusions in the light of new evidence. It's hard to do b/c we get emotionally invested, and also because once you make a conclusion an assumption, it becomes implicit & fades into the background -- so it's harder to question.

On the flip side, it's also about trusting your own reasoning above the crowd -- you are thus able to pick up the $20 bill on the ground instead of being sure it's fake b/c nobody else has picked it up already.

Re: ‘Strong Opinions, Weakly Held’ Doesn't Work That Well

#75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think in the context of the original statement it was a heuristic for searching for truth, i.e. "to know, form hypotheses then subject them to falsification tests". So yes, in the meaning of SOWH, all WO are ones that leave you unable to progress. Your reading of 'categorical implying strong' is reasonable, imho, in just the meaning of the word 'strong'. It's just not what I believe was the intended meaning in the…

Interesting, so the SO part of SOWH just means "have opinions that can be validated"? That seems very weak, no pun intended. Would anyone go around advocating for people to have WO, using that definition? I guess if that's what it means, then SOWH is pretty vacuous. Perhaps it's my background (law, economics, logic) but I assumed that "strong" referred to "the strong form" of an argument or hypothesis (such as the ef…

Really I think it's just to enable the pithy phrasing. Catchy memes propagate.

Re: ‘Strong Opinions, Weakly Held’ Doesn't Work That Well

#76

It's terrible as a meme, and terrible as a culture guidepost for a big group. It is only effective in the context of a closed small trusting group making decisions. One needs to make decisions, often with laughably insufficient information. So make one and watch carefully and be able to reverse if evidence tells you differently. Only works if you already have a strong trust culture and relatively equal power. Using t…

Yeah, it can devolve into the Bryan Caplan syllogism:

1. Something must be done

2. This is something

3. Therefore, this must be done.

Re: ‘Strong Opinions, Weakly Held’ Doesn't Work That Well

#77
> this is not how the human brain works

To some extent, to succeed in the modern world, you have to override your instincts with a thought-out response to things. Whatever heuristics we've built up over thousands of years are interesting, but some of them don't apply anymore. (If you were a prehistoric human and you encountered a beehive, you'd eat all the honey. But now you can get hundreds of beehives worth of honey in one trip to the grocery store, and your body's not going to tell you to not eat it. It will tell you the opposite -- this tastes great! You just have to learn that it's bad for your health and choose not to do it, no matter how good it would taste.)

Basically, the human brain is a neural network trained on very old data. Fortunately, it is also very adaptive and can ignore that training data with some conscious effort. You need to operate your brain in that mode more now than you did 10,000 years ago.

"Strong opinions weakly held" means "argue your point but sometimes you're going to lose." Evolution might not have rewarded losing over the course of millions of years, but whatever meeting you're arguing in doesn't have that kind of staying power. You can lose the argument and the human race will survive another generation. Whatever argument you're having probably doesn't matter in any meaningful sense. It's not life or death.

Re: ‘Strong Opinions, Weakly Held’ Doesn't Work That Well

#78
post #16

There's a type of exercise where you're not asked "I want to do $x, how do I achieve that?" but instead are asked "I don't know what to do, can you find out?" where the scope might be anywhere from "pick an new ERP" to "reorganise the entire worldwide operations to be a more effective at all things digital". If faced with such a wide open question you could do some research and start asking all the questions you thin…

> if within the first week you can learn enough to form some opinions, you now have some ideas to test against and disprove

Interestingly there is some evidence that this might lead to anchoring bias related issues. I am not sure what we can do to improve the situation, however.

Re: ‘Strong Opinions, Weakly Held’ Doesn't Work That Well

#79

> this is not how the human brain works To some extent, to succeed in the modern world, you have to override your instincts with a thought-out response to things. Whatever heuristics we've built up over thousands of years are interesting, but some of them don't apply anymore. (If you were a prehistoric human and you encountered a beehive, you'd eat all the honey. But now you can get hundreds of beehives worth of hone…

I have found that in software that is wrong. If you want to succeed in software you need to do what is most popular which largely follows innate human behavior. Unlike many other professions there is no licensing, accredidation, or common ethic which means there is no standard baseline of competence.

This is visually explained when thinking about the difference between success and capability and then viewing that difference on a graph, such as a bell curve.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23768137

Re: ‘Strong Opinions, Weakly Held’ Doesn't Work That Well

#80

> this is not how the human brain works To some extent, to succeed in the modern world, you have to override your instincts with a thought-out response to things. Whatever heuristics we've built up over thousands of years are interesting, but some of them don't apply anymore. (If you were a prehistoric human and you encountered a beehive, you'd eat all the honey. But now you can get hundreds of beehives worth of hone…

I have found that in software that is wrong. If you want to succeed in software you need to do what is most popular which largely follows innate human behavior. Unlike many other professions there is no licensing, accredidation, or common ethic which means there is no standard baseline of competence. This is visually explained when thinking about the difference between success and capability and then viewing that dif…

Free Software involves both licensing and ethics.
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