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‘Strong Opinions, Weakly Held’ Doesn't Work That Well

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Re: ‘Strong Opinions, Weakly Held’ Doesn't Work That Well

#31

I understand what “weakly held” means, but what does the “strong opinions” part mean? I couldn’t get this from the post. What would be an example of a weak opinion and a related strong opinion? Is this just the difference between “the 49ers will win most of their games this year” and “the 49ers will win the Super Bowl this year”? If so, why is the latter preferred? Edit: thanks for the downvote, perhaps you can help…

Examples below.

Weak opinion: I cannot conclude anything about why my car won't start.

Strong opinion: I think my battery is dead and that's why my car won't start.

Strongly held: I tested the battery and voltage and current are within good thresholds. I still believe what I believed before.

Weakly held: I tested the battery and voltage and current are within good thresholds. I have adjusted my belief about what I believed before.

WOSH: I cannot conclude anything about why my car won't start. You've tested my battery as dead. I still cannot conclude anything about why my car won't start.

WOWH: I cannot conclude anything about why my car won't start. You've tested my battery as dead. It could be the battery, maybe. Hard to say.

SOSH: I think my battery is dead and that's why my car won't start. You've tested my battery as functioning fine. It's definitely the battery, though.

SOWH: I think my battery is dead and that's why my car won't start. You've tested my battery as functioning fine. The reason why my car won't start is not my battery; I think it won't start because my starter motor is broken.

Downvotes occur for all sorts of reasons. Please don't introduce noise into the discussion. It's annoying to other readers for all sorts of reasons. I am often tempted to downvote anyone who complains about them.

Re: ‘Strong Opinions, Weakly Held’ Doesn't Work That Well

#32
> ...make a tentative forecast based on the information available, and then systematically tear it apart, using the insights gained to guide my search for further indicators and information...

This is literally the scientific method. Come up with a falsifiable premise, then attempt to falsify it. Arguing that science is hard is pretty irrelevant. Most of the failings present in this article are really just evidence of not doing the second half. You should be looking for evidence that you're wrong, not evidence that you're right.

This is later borne out by the proposal of adding confidence intervals and dates by which assumptions should be robust against being disproven. You'll find this type of language on experimental design in lots of scientific fields.

This article is about someone's journey to rediscover the thing their source already knew (using scientific rigor can take a hypothesis into a theorem, and gradually bring you nearer an understanding of the underlying truth), and then call it something else because the original distillation of a theory into a soundbyte flew past them.

Re: ‘Strong Opinions, Weakly Held’ Doesn't Work That Well

#33
Paul Saffo writes, "I will force myself to make a tentative forecast based on the information available, and then systematically tear it apart."

That's similar in spirit to scientific method: Formulate a hypothesis and then set out to disprove it. (Overly simplified, of course.)

So, there's definitely something here. But in my experience, the phrase "Strong Opinions, Weakly Held" is mostly just used to excuse bad behaviors.

Re: ‘Strong Opinions, Weakly Held’ Doesn't Work That Well

#34

The article is spot on. As humans it is incredibly difficult to avoid being committed to your decision, a big problem for 'strong opinions, weakly held'. I think Elon's advice is much better and I try to exercise it regularly: "Assume you are wrong. Your goal is to be less wrong."

How's that going with Elon's pronouncements on Covid-19? I only saw lots of him assuming he was right against clearly better informed medical opinion.

Re: ‘Strong Opinions, Weakly Held’ Doesn't Work That Well

#35
post #19

I prefer "weak opinions, strongly held", as in, "I don't know. And I am pretty sure you don't either." Won't sell me any books, but it's been my experience.

On the other hand, when faced with a fork in the road, it's important to choose. Often it doesn't matter which - but if you vacillate, and especially if you are leading - then you can fail by not choosing. So, strong opinions: decisively go down one road; weakly held: turn around if information suggests it looks like the wrong road. You can only update your opinions if you engage with reality, which demands a certain…

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Re: ‘Strong Opinions, Weakly Held’ Doesn't Work That Well

#37
> For instance, Steve Jobs was famous for arguing against one position or another, only to decide that you were right, and then come back a month later holding exactly your opinion, as if it were his all along.

Unrelated to the larger theme of the post, but I absolutely hate it when people do this. I thought it sounded like a silly parable until I saw people do it in real life. At which point I concluded it was some kind of characteristic of narcissism.

To this type of person, an idea isn't good until it's theirs. They will trash your idea, and trash you. When your idea seems convenient they will take credit and fail to cite you as an influence. That's ok, one can suppose, if not for the next part. Likely they have forgotten you gave them that idea in order to help them. They still think you are trash. They will have no qualms trashing your next idea with personal attacks just like the last one.

Re: ‘Strong Opinions, Weakly Held’ Doesn't Work That Well

#38
The fix:

> Use Probability as an Expression of Confidence

If the probability is just some made up number reflecting a hunch, it's no better at informing us to take an action or drop an opinion. It's just a way of talking about how weakly we are holding the opinion, and not the real deal from statistics.

The concept still provides no concrete framework for assigning the probability, and for taking action. E.g. do you abort the plan when the probability of success feels like it has dropped to 65%, or does it have to feel like 35%?

Re: ‘Strong Opinions, Weakly Held’ Doesn't Work That Well

#39

It's terrible as a meme, and terrible as a culture guidepost for a big group. It is only effective in the context of a closed small trusting group making decisions. One needs to make decisions, often with laughably insufficient information. So make one and watch carefully and be able to reverse if evidence tells you differently. Only works if you already have a strong trust culture and relatively equal power. Using t…

Oh my god, yes. You also have to take the input of the group as “evidence,” and acknowledge when you may not know much about something, but someone else does.

Re: ‘Strong Opinions, Weakly Held’ Doesn't Work That Well

#40

> For instance, Steve Jobs was famous for arguing against one position or another, only to decide that you were right, and then come back a month later holding exactly your opinion, as if it were his all along. Unrelated to the larger theme of the post, but I absolutely hate it when people do this. I thought it sounded like a silly parable until I saw people do it in real life. At which point I concluded it was some…

I have this "theory" that one trait of successful people is forgetfulness. In my experience they tend to forget their mistakes and also forget the source of their successful ideas.
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