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SEC charges YouPlus and CEO with defrauding investors

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Re: SEC charges YouPlus and CEO with defrauding investors

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like basically trying to do a Steve Jobs new product announcement internally before the products were developed?

Pretty much. I think the main issue with people like this is that their product visions keep on changing. So it becomes almost impossible for the tech team to execute properly.

I worked for a CEO who did this once (the frequently-bombarding-the-team-with-new-ideas thing, not the expecting-applause part). He was a good guy, and talented in many areas, but he wasn't a great product leader.

He would let his excitement for some new idea take hold of him, and he would share it with everyone without first taking the time to sit down and reconcile how the feature fit into the rest of the app, what problems it solved, possible alternative solutions to that problem, the cost and complexity of implementing the feature, how the feature should be prioritized, etc.

This stuff and more is what sets good product people apart from mediocre product people. The problem is that it's all invisible and optional, so mediocre product people aren't even aware they're not doing it, and thus it's easy for them to believe they're great product people when they really aren't.

At some point he got the message that he needed to stop disrupting the team with these frequent ideas, so he switched to writing them out in gigantic Google Docs that he'd send to people. At least that was async, so it was less interruptive than him stopping at your desk, but it was still super time-consuming to read his docs. Eventually the entire team started ignoring them.

Re: SEC charges YouPlus and CEO with defrauding investors

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post #11

Curious why the investors didn’t do any diligence like requiring an audit as a condition for funding. We saw the same thing with Theranos.

Standard for investments in tech startups, no? Although I'd assume less standard for biotech startups like Theranos.

Re: SEC charges YouPlus and CEO with defrauding investors

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post #11

Curious why the investors didn’t do any diligence like requiring an audit as a condition for funding. We saw the same thing with Theranos.

> why the investors didn’t do any diligence like requiring an audit

This is an unusual ask. Founders forging bank statements simply isn’t common enough to merit it.

Re: SEC charges YouPlus and CEO with defrauding investors

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty much. I think the main issue with people like this is that their product visions keep on changing. So it becomes almost impossible for the tech team to execute properly.

I worked for a CEO who did this once (the frequently-bombarding-the-team-with-new-ideas thing, not the expecting-applause part). He was a good guy, and talented in many areas, but he wasn't a great product leader. He would let his excitement for some new idea take hold of him, and he would share it with everyone without first taking the time to sit down and reconcile how the feature fit into the rest of the app, what…

Doesn't he have CEO things to do?

Re: SEC charges YouPlus and CEO with defrauding investors

#16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty much. I think the main issue with people like this is that their product visions keep on changing. So it becomes almost impossible for the tech team to execute properly.

I worked for a CEO who did this once (the frequently-bombarding-the-team-with-new-ideas thing, not the expecting-applause part). He was a good guy, and talented in many areas, but he wasn't a great product leader. He would let his excitement for some new idea take hold of him, and he would share it with everyone without first taking the time to sit down and reconcile how the feature fit into the rest of the app, what…

I had a boss like this as well. It was at the first place I worked for after moving to the Bay Area.

We were a very small company, so it wasn't hard to be nimble, but it was exhausting to keep changing features or products we were working on, or never having the opportunity to satisfyingly complete anything we worked on. It was all the typical "lean startup" phrasing, disrupt, move fast and break things, "pivot", the things you'd see as jokes in that tv show Silicon Valley. Our CEO literally ended every single slide presentation with "We're going to change the world."

I don't remember how many times we "pivoted" over my five months there, but every single time it was just a new feature, we weren't actually changing anything fundamental about the business proposal, the product, or the customers. We also did not have solid metrics or any way of measuring the success of new features, nor did we have any information that proved, for example, existing customers wanted the new features (most obvious one was a "like" button). The overall feeling was our CEO was just floundering, he didn't have any coherent strategy.

Funny thing was, none of this made me leave. I finally decided to quit when he hired someone who started scheduling meetings at 9am and nagging me to be in at 9am despite performing well and having explicitly agreed to a much looser schedule when I started.

Oddly, we also went to Google once for a hackathon. IMO our CEO fucking RUINED that trip. The hackathon was supposed to be focused on using Google Play Store in some capacity, I honestly can't remember it all because this was nearly a decade ago. Our CEO was with us and insisted our team make a Google Play app for 404 pages (we were supposed to change our 404 page during that sprint, separate from the hackathon). And if that sounds dumb and incoherent, that's because it was. I didn't even know what we were building, and I'm pretty sure we left early to go work on our 404 page or some stupid shit like that. I'm not joking, and I remember the blank stares of others in the room when our CEO was trying to explain the idea of what we were going to build, nobody got it. We didn't get it either.

Sorry, really meandering comment here but I completely forgot about that experience until I started thinking about how that CEO didn't really know how to focus or communicate a strategy.

Re: SEC charges YouPlus and CEO with defrauding investors

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Honestly the investors are morons. Who doesn't do due diligence before investing?

This communication says that the CEO only produced the false bank statements when he was pressed about it. Seems like somebody snapped out of it, did the due diligence that should have done in the first place before signing a check, and realized that this was all smoke and mirrors.

Re: SEC charges YouPlus and CEO with defrauding investors

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked for a CEO who did this once (the frequently-bombarding-the-team-with-new-ideas thing, not the expecting-applause part). He was a good guy, and talented in many areas, but he wasn't a great product leader. He would let his excitement for some new idea take hold of him, and he would share it with everyone without first taking the time to sit down and reconcile how the feature fit into the rest of the app, what…

I had a boss like this as well. It was at the first place I worked for after moving to the Bay Area. We were a very small company, so it wasn't hard to be nimble, but it was exhausting to keep changing features or products we were working on, or never having the opportunity to satisfyingly complete anything we worked on. It was all the typical "lean startup" phrasing, disrupt, move fast and break things, "pivot", the…

> Google Play app for 404 pages

Yikes

Re: SEC charges YouPlus and CEO with defrauding investors

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Honestly the investors are morons. Who doesn't do due diligence before investing? This communication says that the CEO only produced the false bank statements when he was pressed about it. Seems like somebody snapped out of it, did the due diligence that should have done in the first place before signing a check, and realized that this was all smoke and mirrors.

I'd go even deeper

Did they see the product in action? A concept? Or all they saw was powerpoint and empty words

I agree, it's fraud, but I sincerely believe there's a point where "don't blame the victim" stops making sense.

> to have developed a machine-learning tool to analyze videos on the internet

Ah yes of course.

Re: SEC charges YouPlus and CEO with defrauding investors

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post #3

The glassdoor reviews are fun: > Advice to potential investors and partners - check all numbers from CEO - it’s easy and you will be surprised. > Facts about Youplus: > - 4+years old - has no users and never had traction in both USA and India - change of direction every 2-4 weeks - no one cares about results > CEO has a lot of energy and love to pitch whatever in his head to everyone in the office for hours in endles…

CEO honestly sounds like my ex-boss. He would literally waste hours of our time on useless pitches and expect us to clap at the end.

Standard behavior of a person suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-...

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