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Re: Peter Thiel on Progress and Stagnation

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There's nothing saying you can't. You just can't call it a jam or a marmalade as that has a very specific definition in people's minds. The law itself is detailed here[1]. [1] https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfCFR/CFR...

Thanks, I was trying to set them up for a "Chesterton's fence" situation tbh ;)

I hadn't come across that before! Very nice.

Re: Peter Thiel on Progress and Stagnation

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I’m saddened that you think it’s okay to make it a federal crime to create a jelly/marmalade with more than 4 fruits (seriously). Personally, I prefer that to the days of radioactive toothpaste.

I’d like to be given the option to. Why should you prevent me a free adult from doing it?

Feel free to create or commission all the radioactive toothpaste you want for your personal use. If your jaw starts falling off, as long as you pay for all associated medical costs yourself, that's your business.

The game changes if you make it into a product available for and advertised to the general public.

Re: Peter Thiel on Progress and Stagnation

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I disagree with Thiel on almost every page on this document. And I don't know which topic to really critise. Like his view on regulation, which he calls a burden. I don't want to live in a world w/o regulations, I want to know what is in my food, I want to know that the devices I use are safe. We could see what happens, when regulation fails, when two 737MAX crashed due to the fact that Boeing was able to hide MCAS f…

>> This is very visible when Thiel dismisses incremental progress with wind turbines and photovoltaic cells. I think you've missed his point which he lays out in the opener. If you've listened to him speak on podcasts about this topic (I recommend episode 1 of The Portal with Eric Weinstein) you will realize that his ENTIRE point is that incremental progress is simply refinement of things we already have since the 60…

Oh, than his views on innovation are even more wrong than I thought. Most progress, most innovation is the result of incremental progress. Sometimes you can see a leap forward, which usually comes that someone puts several incremental innovations together and combines them in the right way.

Yeah, ITER is not really a fast project. Weirdly enough there is also Wendelstein 7-X in Germany, which is also mostly funded by the German government is way ahead of other fusion project. No idea if this research will lead to a power source or not, but I'm pretty if it does, those power plants will be subsidised by the government.

Re: Peter Thiel on Progress and Stagnation

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post #116
post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m saddened that you think it’s okay to make it a federal crime to create a jelly/marmalade with more than 4 fruits (seriously). Personally, I prefer that to the days of radioactive toothpaste.

I’d like to be given the option to. Why should you prevent me a free adult from doing it?

I feel like you're not acting in good faith here, but I'll bite. I consider it not worth my time to have to be an expert in all things in order to live my daily life. I consider the few overburdensome regulations that occur within a system designed to both protect my health and preserve my time to be a very worthy tradeoff.

Re: Peter Thiel on Progress and Stagnation

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I'm kind of confused. What is the purpose of this document? Did Peter Thiel put this together? Is the target audience people that like him? Or is the target audience people that are critical of him? Or just plainly, is there a particular reason why I should care what a tech billionaire thinks about culture? I'm not a fan of Peter Thiel in the slightest so maybe this isn't for me. I think it is a bit weird that at lea…

Whether he put it together or not, an argument can be made (I make it as well) that it's worth reading it. Any one can have valid arguments, even (or especially) if you don't agree with the conclusions. The only question you can ask is if they're being logically consistent. If they are then they deserve to be listened to, if you truly want to understand how to join them or fight them.

I despise this guy but will listen to everything he has to say. He correctly predicted and bet like ford bet on Nazis that Trump will win, and is reaping the benefits. Given that we have a nincompoop at the top, I'm scrounging to get whatever meaningful literature I can find from the other side to see how they convince themselves of their deeds. This guy is probably up there as the best bets you have on this regard.

Re: Peter Thiel on Progress and Stagnation

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> You don't have to hold atypical views to think for yourself. The causality goes the other way around. Most people really interested on not being different and will hold mainstream views without questioning. It's expected that not all those views are correct, and you won't make the same mistakes in an independent process.

Thinking for your self does not imply a greater than average "holding" of atypical views. The people who came up with typical views thought for themselves, and people who synthesize their opinions based on similar information often reach similar conclusions. > Most people really interested on not being different and will hold mainstream views without questioning. Perhaps, but this doesn't imply the contrapositive, wh…

> Thinking for your self does not imply a greater than average "holding" of atypical views.

Compared to making an effort to hold the typical views? How can it not imply that?

Re: Peter Thiel on Progress and Stagnation

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post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d like to be given the option to. Why should you prevent me a free adult from doing it?

I feel like you're not acting in good faith here, but I'll bite. I consider it not worth my time to have to be an expert in all things in order to live my daily life. I consider the few overburdensome regulations that occur within a system designed to both protect my health and preserve my time to be a very worthy tradeoff.

I agree with what you’re saying. But you’re proposing the same argument of “well how do you know the dealer didn’t sprinkle another drug on your weed?”

What makes you think that the toothpaste company wants to use expensive radioactive materials on your plain toothpaste and not charge you for it?

Re: Peter Thiel on Progress and Stagnation

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I'm kind of confused. What is the purpose of this document? Did Peter Thiel put this together? Is the target audience people that like him? Or is the target audience people that are critical of him? Or just plainly, is there a particular reason why I should care what a tech billionaire thinks about culture? I'm not a fan of Peter Thiel in the slightest so maybe this isn't for me. I think it is a bit weird that at lea…

Whether he put it together or not, an argument can be made (I make it as well) that it's worth reading it. Any one can have valid arguments, even (or especially) if you don't agree with the conclusions. The only question you can ask is if they're being logically consistent. If they are then they deserve to be listened to, if you truly want to understand how to join them or fight them. I despise this guy but will list…

The question is who are you not listening to because you are paying attention to this overrated blowhard?

Re: Peter Thiel on Progress and Stagnation

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I disagree with Thiel on almost every page on this document. And I don't know which topic to really critise. Like his view on regulation, which he calls a burden. I don't want to live in a world w/o regulations, I want to know what is in my food, I want to know that the devices I use are safe. We could see what happens, when regulation fails, when two 737MAX crashed due to the fact that Boeing was able to hide MCAS f…

There are so many points he makes. Which ones do you agree with? I have a hard time understanding your opposition and painting everything he says as some what illogical, unreasonable, impossible or absurd. The examples you've given, I agree with (and even the most far right people would). But the document is massive and I feel like you're painting a broad stroke with a tiny brush. Peter Thiel is a controversial figur…

I focused mostly on the parts I have some or a lot of knowledge about: energy and tranportation/mobility. I simply can't rule out that in the other fields Thiel might have an opinion I would share if I knew more about those topics.

Where I agree with him is the issue of real wages stagnation and even decline in the US and in other countries. Sadly, I don't think we would agree on the cause.

I guess, with SV you mean Silicon Valley? I live nowhere near that place. I also don't work in IT. And I hold a degree in economics.

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