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Turns out half the internet has a single-point-of-failure called “Cloudflare”

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The solution is the Decentralized Web (DWeb), such as IPFS ( https://ipfs.io ), Freenet ( https://freenetproject.org ), GNUnet ( https://gnunet.org ) or Hypercore ( https://hypercore-protocol.org ). We should start using them to avoid centralization and embrace freedom.

Can any of those handle massive scale?

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Provided by the government.

So no problem with Nazis using USPS but FedEx is to be condemned for not opening all your packages and refusing the ones with proscribed literature?

This is a bad analogy. Cloudflare is not inspecting individual packets for hate speech. They are refusing to do business with an organization that negatively affects their brand (The Daily Stormer). They should have the right to make that choice as a private entity.

Funny you bring up Fedex: https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/business/fedex-washington-red...

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Read our S-1, it's all in there. https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1477333/000119312519...

Congratulations with growing so big. Why aren't there dozens of lookalikes by now? I mean CDNs that will let you override the origin's cache instructions and do a decent job of DDOS protection, and whose feature list otherwise looks a little like Cloudflare's.

Yes, why isn't the CDN a commodity?

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post #197

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Firing people for making mistakes is a great way to watch productivity dive. The easiest way to prevent mistakes is to do nothing at all.

I understand the point being made here, but what are those affected supposed to take away? Cloudflare made a mistake that caused (x millions of dollars of lost online commerce revenues, y number of missed telehealth sessions, etc.) and since we do not punish mistakes, nothing was done. Sorry everyone!

Understood. Typically, as a company, you write - 1) what went wrong 2) how did it go wrong and 3) what you have or will put in place to prevent it from ever happening again

It's a learning process for all involved, really.

From the affected parties point of view, well, they should diversify their network a bit better. End users should hold those companies feet to the fire, not Cloudflare's.

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They do blame you though, most people won't be aware of the real issue, when cloudflare went down, the trending things on twitter were #spotifydown and #applemusic

I suspect customers complaining on Twitter are not the ones cared about to whoever decides to use Cloudflare.

I build an app. I use CF for my app. Customers use my app. CF has an outage. Customers don't care why I'm down, they care that my app isn't working.

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post #154

The solution is the Decentralized Web (DWeb), such as IPFS ( https://ipfs.io ), Freenet ( https://freenetproject.org ), GNUnet ( https://gnunet.org ) or Hypercore ( https://hypercore-protocol.org ). We should start using them to avoid centralization and embrace freedom.

How do I publish a website on one of these?

https://www.dgendill.com/posts/technology/2019-10-15-publish...

Re: Turns out half the internet has a single-point-of-failure called “Cloudflare”

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Well, I usually block it anyway, because it is not only a single point of failure, but also a single point of concentration of data, that can be used to track, spy on and profile users. As such, I do not blindly trust Cloudflare. I remain sceptical, no matter how positive their public image is. Especially I would not set my DNS to cloudflare.

Who do you use for DNS then that you do trust?

For lookups, it's not that hard to do your own recursive resolver.

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II love cloudflare. It has really helped out with several sites/projects that I have worked on and the service is top notch. I am also an investor. I tend to invest in stuff which I use a lot or trust/respect the employees. Weirdly what made me really invest is the level of geekiness on the company. I remember seeing you guys using a lava lamp wall to generate entropy and just thought "that's awesome". I just wanted…

It's a bit of a sad story, but maybe you'll like this read about one of the guys who laid the foundation for their tech and his sad decline: https://www.wired.com/story/lee-holloway-devastating-decline... I really liked the stories of his skill when he was in his prime. Very inspiring.

Sounds lame but this story really touched me. I recently visited a family member who's nearing the end and it broke my heart to see them in that condition.

I'm not sure what to take from this. But thank you for sharing it

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I am not sure, if I would trust anyone who misuses the term "Single-Point-of-Failure" on matters of reliability.

Why not? It's a single thing, that if it fails, causes your app/website/whatever to fail.
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