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Any claim without a URI should be treated as suspicious

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Re: Any claim without a URI should be treated as suspicious

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The difference between URI and URL is practically meaningless except to a very small circle of specialists. Noone uses the name "URI", even when they are talking about one. Except if they explicitly want to signal their membership in that circle of experts.

Am I wrong to suppose that L is locator and I is indicator, thus I being a more broadly term and a somewhat nerdy term for Source?

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Re: Any claim without a URI should be treated as suspicious

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I hate URL fights. I give little extra value to people providing links with their clams. I largely given up providing links to information when called out as well. It's not worth the time. Discussion on the internet is broken in most places (HN is less broken than most). I find little value providing URLs. Much of the time I provide them, few folks seem to read it, fewer actually want to read it in an intellectually…

I frequently visit the links found in comments here. But in these instances I am reading someone else's "URL fight."

Re: Any claim without a URI should be treated as suspicious

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I find much of that sort of instant messaging communication is less about informing others and is more about social signalling. The sender is asking for emotional support and social solidarity.

What are you basing that on?

My understanding is that text messaging is rarely used for knowledge sharing, and is primarily used for social bonding[0]. In my own experience, I never receive such messages from individuals that aren't aware that I already agree with their intended interpretation.

0: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/221270858_A_large_s...

Re: Any claim without a URI should be treated as suspicious

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Judge me all you want, but I would have clicked on "dirty hippy vibes"... Honestly, I don't really believe in ubiquitous misinformation being as a large problem as it is made out to be. Everyone arguing for more content regulation had their own motivations or was in some kind of panic. There will always be people misinformed on the net. Doesn't mean I want a babysitter cleaning everything up, even if I thought they w…

I'm not sure where you got the impression that I wanted people to clean up misinformation from the web. That certainly wasn't my intent. Perhaps you and I move in different social circles - but I get a lot of forwarded "claims" on WhatsApp and Twitter. Well-meaning people who see an image with some text on it and send it to their friends & family. My blog post is mostly aimed at them - showing how easy it can be to c…

Searching and (mostly) debunking the things my mom forwards me has been a long time hobby of mine. Snopes has made my job so much easier, now I can just hit reply and paste the Snopes link back to her.

The internet is filled with so much easily accessible information, it's incredible, but you need the basic skills to determine what claims to believe in order to make any sense of it.

Re: Any claim without a URI should be treated as suspicious

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I hate URL fights. I give little extra value to people providing links with their clams. I largely given up providing links to information when called out as well. It's not worth the time. Discussion on the internet is broken in most places (HN is less broken than most). I find little value providing URLs. Much of the time I provide them, few folks seem to read it, fewer actually want to read it in an intellectually…

> Much of the time I provide them, few folks seem to read it

I wouldn't be so pessimistic.

Only a small fraction of people that read comments will respond.

Plenty of viewers will probably check out the link and derive value from it, but won't have anything valuable to contribute to the discussion.

Antagonistic viewers that already strongly disagree will be much more likely to respond (and without reading the link), skewing your perception.

Re: Any claim without a URI should be treated as suspicious

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I hate URL fights. I give little extra value to people providing links with their clams. I largely given up providing links to information when called out as well. It's not worth the time. Discussion on the internet is broken in most places (HN is less broken than most). I find little value providing URLs. Much of the time I provide them, few folks seem to read it, fewer actually want to read it in an intellectually…

I frequently visit the links found in comments here. But in these instances I am reading someone else's "URL fight."

HN is certainly an exception I'll make for providing / reading links.

Re: Any claim without a URI should be treated as suspicious

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference between URI and URL is practically meaningless except to a very small circle of specialists. Noone uses the name "URI", even when they are talking about one. Except if they explicitly want to signal their membership in that circle of experts.

Am I wrong to suppose that L is locator and I is indicator, thus I being a more broadly term and a somewhat nerdy term for Source?

L is locator, I is identifier. URLs are a subset of URIs. Both start with a schema (something:...), but URIs lack the information about the location and way to get at a resource. The canonical example for identifier-but-not-location is an ISBN or DOI. That interpretation however requires a very peculiar interpretation of "location", because imho "where can I read about that" can precisely be answered by "ISBN ...". The usual copout "but you don't know where the next library will be" also makes all the traditional URLs non-locations, because you then also don't always know where the next browser is or how to operate it.

The rest of the responsible RFC is also not very useful: https://danielmiessler.com/study/difference-between-uri-url/

Re: Any claim without a URI should be treated as suspicious

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I hate URL fights. I give little extra value to people providing links with their clams. I largely given up providing links to information when called out as well. It's not worth the time. Discussion on the internet is broken in most places (HN is less broken than most). I find little value providing URLs. Much of the time I provide them, few folks seem to read it, fewer actually want to read it in an intellectually…

I think it’s very worthwhile; it allows readers to judge the legitimacy and relevance of sources for claims made.

Re: Any claim without a URI should be treated as suspicious

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Any claim with a URI should also be treated with suspicion. There is plenty of reliable information locked away in offline books and government documents and all kinds of other non Google-able locations. This is true even for brand new information (which is why we continue to have “leaks”). Meanwhile there is plenty of misinformation with URIs. I would go so far as to say online status is almost orthogonal to accurac…

> Any claim with a URI should also be treated with suspicion.

Agreed. I've noticed a huge uptick of "here is a random YouTuber's 45 minute rant about X" used as "evidence" in discussions. Opting to not watch it in its entirety is then dismissed as being unwilling to discuss; watching it and picking it apart leads to "oh, but you haven't seen his OTHER videos".

Re: Any claim without a URI should be treated as suspicious

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference between URI and URL is practically meaningless except to a very small circle of specialists. Noone uses the name "URI", even when they are talking about one. Except if they explicitly want to signal their membership in that circle of experts.

Am I wrong to suppose that L is locator and I is indicator, thus I being a more broadly term and a somewhat nerdy term for Source?

I is Identifier.

It's broader in the sense that every URL is a URI, but the converse is not true.

URI somewhat nerdier because it's lesser known.

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