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Amazon’s UK FBA operations will be split from the EU

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Re: Amazon’s UK FBA operations will be split from the EU

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I mean, not being funny, but, what upsides? The upsides of Brexit are generally, at best, very subjective and ephemeral (‘sovereignty’ in the sense of passport colour change) or outright imaginary (the EU is banning kettles and jam).

As a remain voter, I'm not best to advocate for the strengths of leave. As I'm sure you're aware, debate between remain and leave is difficult. Characterising sovereignty concerns as "passport colour change" won't start the conversation on the right path, however. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29607906-why-vote-leave was a good book for understanding some benefits of Leave. Please don't discredit the positions…

> Characterising sovereignty concerns as "passport colour change" won't start the conversation on the right path, however.

By that I meant that the Brexiter conception of sovereignty is heavily based on surface symbolism; the archetypical Brexiter is fine with taking US rules on food safety, in which they have no voice in making, if it means they can change the colour of the passport (which, of course, they could do within the EU anyway, but never mind). That is, Brexit is not generally actually concerned with sovereignty in any real sense, and Brexit Britain will lose control, not gain it.

Re: Amazon’s UK FBA operations will be split from the EU

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post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a remain voter, I'm not best to advocate for the strengths of leave. As I'm sure you're aware, debate between remain and leave is difficult. Characterising sovereignty concerns as "passport colour change" won't start the conversation on the right path, however. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29607906-why-vote-leave was a good book for understanding some benefits of Leave. Please don't discredit the positions…

> Characterising sovereignty concerns as "passport colour change" won't start the conversation on the right path, however. By that I meant that the Brexiter conception of sovereignty is heavily based on surface symbolism; the archetypical Brexiter is fine with taking US rules on food safety, in which they have no voice in making, if it means they can change the colour of the passport (which, of course, they could do…

By responding solely to a minor part of my comment, and doubling down on your caricatures, I don't think you're willing to actually discuss this.

Re: Amazon’s UK FBA operations will be split from the EU

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> In reality you might find impacts of the Amazon FBA Brexit bombshell start to impact you earlier. For instance, if you already have stock in Pan-European FBA it is feasible that Amazon will repatriate your stock before the end of the year and certainly are likely to stop sending your stock to Europe at an earlier date. I am very sceptical that they would do something like above, as there does not seem to be any rea…

There is no agreement between the negotiators as yet on the repatriation of "stranded" goods after 1 January; the default will depend on any tax agreements between each of the member-states and the UK, virtually all of which pre-date the Single Market Act, and many of which predate the Single European Act (which will cease to grant any rights or impose any obligations on the UK at the end of this year).

In general it is likely that moving goods of any sort -- including one's own personal property -- from a member-state to the UK will from 1 January incur formalities, with a risk of substantial financial liability to the UK's revenue & customs agency by the UK person importing the goods even if that person is conceptually "re-importing" property.

Amazon also will want relief from liability under the law of bailment in England & Wales, and other specific contractual and statutory liability to the UK persons using the systems discussed in the article. The most obvious way to do that is for Amazon ("the bailee") to return the goods to any vendor in England or Wales ("the bailor"). The most obvious time to do that is well before 1 January after which either Amazon is exposed direct liability for import formalities or indirect liability to the (England-and-Wales) bailor.

Another obvious approach is to convince the bailors to waive their rights, effectively writing off their interest in the goods that are in the EU in Amazon's control, possibly for some financial consideration. However, Amazon cannot be certain that it can sell on any such goods because there is as yet no agreement on e.g. Origin (and documentation via certificate of origin) requirements, nor on the continued validity of safety marks and other product labelling. Although it's unlikely that anyone seriously wants existing arrangements to suddenly halt at the end of this year, there remains a risk that a substantial number of UK-sourced goods in the EU prior to the end of December may simply become unsellable in the single market in January (I am less sure about goods (esp. "Mode 5") sourced in the non-EU SM member-states or states that are non-EU&non-SM members of the European Customs Union (EUCU), or the bilateral CU states, and unfortunately somewhat failed at avoiding the trap of calling it all "EU" in this comment, and the trap of thinking the legal positions are probably homogeneous, i.e., there won't be operative side-deals between UK and Turkey before the end of December).

One very open set of questions involves "Mode 5" goods, wherein services are bundled with physical items. That includes warranties and guarantees for repairs, upgrade support including the upgrading of software that controls the physical items' operations, subscriptions bundled in with electronic book readers or the like, access to App Stores and similar. So far the UK government in particular has been focused on goods, not on services, including "Mode 5" services.

Flipping things around, Single Market vendors with bailments in England (and Wales) may be unable to guarantee the continuation of "Mode 5" commitments on goods in E&W. In E&W the retailer would be liable for making good on those commitments or on making the retail customer whole (e.g. by issuing a refund or replacement). FBA does not provide clear legal immunity from retail liability in E&W, and it is easy to imagine litigation brought by e.g. the Consumers Association and other bodies under the super-complaints procedure in the (UK) Enterprise Act 2002 if FBA goods purchased after 1 January cannot have software upgrades or lose access to SM-based customer support. (They are likely safe from liability for such goods if sold before the end of this year.)

(The law is somewhat different, and in relevant ways, in Scotland and Northern Ireland, but going into that would take too many characters :-) )

ETA: the issue here is the law of frustration of contract -- the expiration of the transition period in the withdrawal agreement may create frustrations notwithstanding careful drafting of contracts, and one possible result of a frustrated FBA contract is that the goods in question become involuntary bailments with Amazon as the bailee. This is a concrete risk for goods managed under contract with entities outside the UK.

Single Market sellers with goods pre-positioned in the UK would by default have access to UK courts if needed to exercise (or clarify) their rights as involuntary bailors. Thus it is possibly in Amazon UK's interests to move SM-vendor goods from the UK to an Amazon EU facility in the Single Market or return it to the SM-based person who is the vendor, and to do so before the end of the year and with the consent of the SM vendors.

Re: Amazon’s UK FBA operations will be split from the EU

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The way my British friends told me, nobody really took the brexit vote seriously and treated it like a Lord Buckethead, Boaty McBoat Face joke. At least until the mic dropped and the consequences of their joke vote became clear.

I took it seriously. In my social group, the bigger problem I saw was delusional Lexiteers. They're due to get literally nothing they said wanted out of Brexit. I hope one day we can rejoin, and it doesn't break the UK into pieces, but right now I can't see the Union surviving.

Yes! I encountered these "Lexit" guys too and couldn't believe what I was hearing when they were telling me about how they voted Brexit and why, it just seemed incredibly naive.

Re: Amazon’s UK FBA operations will be split from the EU

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The way my British friends told me, nobody really took the brexit vote seriously and treated it like a Lord Buckethead, Boaty McBoat Face joke. At least until the mic dropped and the consequences of their joke vote became clear.

Yet the pro-brexit party is still in power, so it seems the majority still wants brexit or at least isn't willing to put their money where their mouth is.

At the point of the 2019 election stopping Brexit wasn't really on the table - no major party was against it. Labour had a vague message that was not anti-Brexit. Lib Dems may have technically been anti-Brexit but have no trust (is "no Brexit" the same as "no tuition fees"?) and have fewer seats than even the SNP (oh and their leader lost her seat).

The public were basically given no choice in 2019

Re: Amazon’s UK FBA operations will be split from the EU

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I really wish someone bothered to hold his feet to the fire on that one. He just got to chuckle and shrug it off, and the reaction from most seems to be “lol oh that’s our Boris”

Whoever his PR people are did a bang-up job on Social Media /SEO by making him say he likes painting little buses as a hobby. This displaced the previous top results for the search term "Boris Bus" (i.e. the bus with the 350 million GBP lie). It was very "Black Mirror".

I don't know if that ever worked but searching for "Boris Bus" right now on DDG or Google yields mostly results and images of the infamous campaign bus.

Re: Amazon’s UK FBA operations will be split from the EU

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I’m in the UK. I can see this is going to mean a huge chunk of products disappearing from amazon here. A lot of stuff I order comes from Europe. So supply chain problems for months here we come! Fun times ahead. And no I didn’t vote for this shit show.

The opposite will be annoying as well: I sometimes order products from non-European companies which use UK sellers as their official resellers for the EU. They will probably need to find new EU resellers outside the UK.

Yes. Of course the same applies not just to resellers, but also to companies properly located in the UK. I order quite frequently from Rapha and Wiggle and hope they'll have EU-based fulfilling in place.

Re: Amazon’s UK FBA operations will be split from the EU

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post #108
post #6

I’m in the UK. I can see this is going to mean a huge chunk of products disappearing from amazon here. A lot of stuff I order comes from Europe. So supply chain problems for months here we come! Fun times ahead. And no I didn’t vote for this shit show.

The opposite will be annoying as well: I sometimes order products from non-European companies which use UK sellers as their official resellers for the EU. They will probably need to find new EU resellers outside the UK.

Same here. I order quite frequently from Rapha and Wiggle and hope they'll have EU-based fulfilling in place.

Re: Amazon’s UK FBA operations will be split from the EU

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post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whoever his PR people are did a bang-up job on Social Media /SEO by making him say he likes painting little buses as a hobby. This displaced the previous top results for the search term "Boris Bus" (i.e. the bus with the 350 million GBP lie). It was very "Black Mirror".

I don't know if that ever worked but searching for "Boris Bus" right now on DDG or Google yields mostly results and images of the infamous campaign bus.

The campaign was specifically timed at a crucial point in time when Johnson was jockeying to be the Prime Minister (June 2019). Search engines have a recency bias, and that story made it to all British news sites.
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