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Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by causality0 »

e12e wrote: post #571
causality0 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like all third-party youtube apps and downloaders, you should use a dummy account that's subscribed to all the same channels as your real one.

How about playlists and history, though? Personally I don't use subscriptions, and have no use for them. I suppose and app like this could provide a third party (self host able api) account service - recording history and managing/syncing playlists? Maybe with an option to merge in entries from Google account playlists from time to time? Playlists are nice not just for playing/listening, but also downloading for offl…

It does have the option to load data from an exported XML subscription list.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by halflings »

Press2forEN wrote: post #40

This is the only app we allow our kids to watch YouTube on. It dispenses with the ads and 90% of the tricks they use to keep you watching (no overlays at the end and no autoplay).

You can also disable autoplay in the official client. (and pay for YouTube premium to disable ads; otherwise you're watching videos without contributing back to the people creating them and video hosting/streaming fees)

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by halflings »

Serious question: What is the ethical argument for watching videos ad-free this way vs paying for YouTube Premium? (as long as it's available in your country, and you can afford it)

By removing ads, you're viewing content without paying back in any meaningful way. You might say that you give donations to the content creators you really like, but I don't find that very convincing (you cannot donate to every small YouTuber you ever encounter while browsing, not all content creators churn out 100s of videos).

Besides, it probably costs a ton of money to store/process billions of videos each month, and stream billions of 1080p (or even 4K) of videos to all devices.

I understand people are fundamentally against ads (I also find them life-sucking and extremely obnoxious), but there is an option that does just that while fairly contributing back into the ecosystem that produces your content.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by halflings »

zbrozek wrote: post #600
harshitaneja wrote: post #535

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Autoplay and PIP can be turned off in settings. PIP is one of the reasons I got premium initially but the ad free experience on all devices is what made me stay.

Defaults matter. I have a lot of devices and I can't be bothered to make every app less awful on every one of them every few months. It's far easier to opt out of the app entirely.

It's likely that most uses actually enjoy autoplay and PIP (I certainly do).

You're saying that you don't pay for Premium and use an unofficial client that does not pay content creators just because it's too much of a hassle to change the two settings that bother you.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by halflings »

reificator wrote: post #410
deadmutex wrote: post #377

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> In any case, to use YouTube Premium you have to login, and therefore have all your viewings tracked. My understanding is that you can pause watch history, see link below. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tzY79vqPrk

I would assume that stops you from getting any value out of your history, but does not significantly hamper Google's tracking.

With GDPR and other new privacy laws, consent to collect data is required.

If you stop watch history, that must mean no watch history is collected.

Is your hypothesis that a large company would consider violating important privacy laws for minimal gain (very slightly improved ad tracking)? It's possible but unlikely.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by drewg123 »

nonplus wrote: post #369
drewg123 wrote: post #18

This is the best youtube client, bar none. It keeps local history and "subscriptions" without requiring you to log in to google. I use it on an Amazon Fire Tablet. There seems to be no iOS equivalent, which is one of the things preventing me from upgrading to an iPad. Has anybody used it recently on AndroidTV / FireTV? I've tried it several times in the past, and its always been wonky there. I use SmartYouTubeTV ( ht…

> Has anybody used it recently on AndroidTV / FireTV? Yes I use newpipe on a Nvidia shield as my primary youtube client. There are at least 3 of us who open tickets as issues come up for Android TV. It's not the most polished experience, but as of 0.19.5 it's functional. It rarely pulls videos above 1080p quality for some reason, but if I have to choose between 4k content on the youtube client and 1080p with my priva…

Interesting. I installed it, and I have no problem getting 4K videos. Playback seems fine.

I can't figure out how to make it do a 10s skip forward / backward that you do on phone/tablet by tapping on the left or right side of the screen. I tried all the buttons on the shield's game controller after not being able to skip on my remote. I can change the focus to the timeline, and skip that way, but its not as nice as a 10s skip.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by rex_lupi »

ss3000 wrote: post #468
drewg123 wrote: post #18

This is the best youtube client, bar none. It keeps local history and "subscriptions" without requiring you to log in to google. I use it on an Amazon Fire Tablet. There seems to be no iOS equivalent, which is one of the things preventing me from upgrading to an iPad. Has anybody used it recently on AndroidTV / FireTV? I've tried it several times in the past, and its always been wonky there. I use SmartYouTubeTV ( ht…

> This is the best youtube client, bar none. It keeps local history and "subscriptions" without requiring you to log in to google. Isn't it funny how one man's feature is another man's bug? Not supporting logging in with a Google account to keep subscriptions and history synchronized across devices is exactly what disqualifies it from consideration for me, and I suspect I'm not alone here. For those like me there's Y…

Also it is worth mentioning that you can import your youtube subsciptions to newpipe. https://newpipe.schabi.org/FAQ/tutorials/import-export-data/

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by toastercat »

ehsankia wrote: post #598
toastercat wrote: post #581

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The assumption is: yes, the content creators who host their videos via P2P solutions like PeerTube would have to rely on external sources such as Patreon, or in-video sponsorships, or as another user pointed, use the built-in donations feature. > If Youtube used P2P, it still wouldn't solve many of the issue people have with Youtube. What issues in particular are you talking about and how would P2P fail to resolve th…

This very thread is about an ad-free client for Youtube. How would P2P change ads?

You dodged my question, but I could try to answer yours.

Firstly, no one in this comment thread has claimed that PeerTube can solve all of the issues of YouTube. Privacy-oriented folk, and some FOSS advocates see it as a potential solution. Further, I do not personally use PeerTube, but I do use Mastodon and have read about PeerTube in passing.

Another major component of PeerTube aside from the P2P video is the decentralization aspect powered by ActivityPub, which is also used by Mastodon. So not only are the videos decentralized themselves, but so is the service; you can joined one PeerTube instance, and view videos that other instances can also view. If you grow unhappy with the administration of your current instance (maybe they added ads to the page, or maybe they are privacy-invading), you can simply move to another but still have access to the same videos.

In addition, since the videos are P2P, this reduces the server loads on each respective instance and thus lowers the baseline cost of having to host every video uploaded. This could reduce the need for ad revenue to keep the servers running.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by reificator »

halflings wrote: post #605
reificator wrote: post #410

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would assume that stops you from getting any value out of your history, but does not significantly hamper Google's tracking.

With GDPR and other new privacy laws, consent to collect data is required. If you stop watch history, that must mean no watch history is collected. Is your hypothesis that a large company would consider violating important privacy laws for minimal gain (very slightly improved ad tracking)? It's possible but unlikely.

> Is your hypothesis that a large company would consider violating important privacy laws for minimal gain (very slightly improved ad tracking)? It's possible but unlikely.

It's not really a hypothesis at this point. I've seen first hand plenty of companies that treat fines and lawsuits as a cost of doing business. If the expected profit is higher than expected fines, full speed ahead. GDPR does have large potential fines, but for all I know the math could still work out.

Not only that, but they have enough information on user locations that it might be worth it to segment it out. Take every jurisdiction a given user might be connected to, use the most restrictive overlap of laws, and track each user as much as legally possible. Most users are not under GDPR or similar, and if you miss one here or there you take it out of the fine budget.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by MikTec »

ss3000 wrote: post #468
drewg123 wrote: post #18

This is the best youtube client, bar none. It keeps local history and "subscriptions" without requiring you to log in to google. I use it on an Amazon Fire Tablet. There seems to be no iOS equivalent, which is one of the things preventing me from upgrading to an iPad. Has anybody used it recently on AndroidTV / FireTV? I've tried it several times in the past, and its always been wonky there. I use SmartYouTubeTV ( ht…

> This is the best youtube client, bar none. It keeps local history and "subscriptions" without requiring you to log in to google. Isn't it funny how one man's feature is another man's bug? Not supporting logging in with a Google account to keep subscriptions and history synchronized across devices is exactly what disqualifies it from consideration for me, and I suspect I'm not alone here. For those like me there's Y…

I prefer to use Vanced over the NewPipe. New Pipe somehow not always works properly and searching for videos is also not perfect.

But.

NewPipe allows downloading the videos which is great. Sharing video function in Vanced allows using NewPipe for download directly from Vanced application.

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